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To: donh
I just realized that you are arguing at the same time, that scientists do, and don't, have absolute convictions of certainty.

Yes, that tends to be the way they present themselves. When someone makes a statement without qualifiers, what does that make the statment? A "fact?" What unnamed assumptions are behind that statement? Every declarative statement carries a certain burden of proof, and a certain degree of assumption. It is no shame to science that it carries varying degrees of certitude in the staements it makes, but it is a shame they maintain an air of certitude as if their statements are wholly matters of fact.

But I would not be right to paint all scientists with the same brush. Dogmatic evolutionists exist, they have their convictions, and I am happy to hear them speak their convictions in the public arena. Far be it from me to accord them a sole voice.

2,173 posted on 06/01/2005 12:04:33 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
When someone makes a statement without qualifiers, what does that make the statment?

Oh, I don't know, maybe trying to get the days work done, without spending an hour carefully analyzing and justifying every phrase you utter. You may take it as a given that when the average scientists says "the earth is 4.5 billion years old", that if pressed, he will pretty much say something along the lines I just demonstrated; few scientists are not aware that that number has migrated around quite a bit, even though it doesn't occur to them to explain the conditional, transitional nature of scientific theories to the audience, every time they open their mouths.

It is no shame to science that it carries varying degrees of certitude in the staements it makes, but it is a shame they maintain an air of certitude as if their statements are wholly matters of fact.

There is no more "air of certitude" in science than there is in welding or plumbing.

Dogmatic evolutionists exist, they have their convictions, and I am happy to hear them speak their convictions in the public arena. Far be it from me to accord them a sole voice.

Really? Can you point me to, say, a dozen examples of actual working scientists who are willing to say that evolutionary explanations cannot possibly be demonstrated to be wrong, or incomplete--ever? I don't know of any real scientists that would say such a thing. It would be a betrayal of the basic rules of science they learned at their daddy's knees.

2,201 posted on 06/01/2005 2:44:27 PM PDT by donh
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