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To: Fester Chugabrew
You seem to be deluded in what makes up "science" and what may or may not be submitted as a scientific claim. You also seem to be incapable of recognizing the fact there are varying degrees of certitude with repect to the claims science makes,

No, I'm not, and I don't believe there is anything I have posted that remotely suggests that I'm not aware that "there are varying degrees of certitude" of scientific claims. What else do you think I could possibly mean when I point out that there is no such thing as proof in a natural science.

whether those claims are made by "professionals," as you call them, or the man on the street. In short, your thinking on these matters may be in need of an epistomological enema. One way or another we'll all get one, if not within the next few minutes, then within the next century. That is a scientific prediction.

Long on pompous hot air, short on sense.

2,120 posted on 06/01/2005 12:36:47 AM PDT by donh
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To: donh
No, I'm not, and I don't believe there is anything I have posted that remotely suggests that I'm not aware that "there are varying degrees of certitude" of scientific claims.

It seems to me that the propositions "1 +1 = 2" and "the earth is some 4.5 billion years old" are made and accepted by many in this forum as if they were to be granted equal certitude; as if they were both a "matter of fact." Does science deal in matters of fact or not? If you want to say science has no business dealing in matters of fact or proof; no business seeking out, knowing, and teaching truths, then you and your hearers are subject to universe of fantasy no more grounded in science than any other source of presumed knowledge. Anything goes where fact and conjecture have an equal footing.

To maintain on the one hand that science deals in "matters of fact," and then on the other hand to deny that it deals in matters of fact or proof, is truly to engage in the delight of eating one's cake and having it, too. Those who posess a small amount of common sense are happy to pull on that goofy mask and let it smack back into the face of those who promote folly while dressed in the garb of science.

It is painfully apparent that dogmatic evolutionists have difficulty accepting and expressing the fact there are varying degrees of certitude in the faith they hold dear, their practice of logic being de-testicled under the strain of semantic gymnastics.

Long on pompous hot air, short on sense.

Hehe. I am not the one filling the world with books to explain away the obvious fact that the heavens and the earth demonstrate more design, intelligence, and order than unguided process like natural selection and random mutation. That label and libel belongs elsewhere.

2,130 posted on 06/01/2005 4:47:18 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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