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Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant (Religion bashing alert)
Times Online UK ^ | May 21, 2005 | Richard Dawkins

Posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by billorites

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To: Gumlegs
You apparently don't understand the concept.

What, that inanimate matter can, by virtue of natural selection and random mutations, become alive and communicate with me by saying, "Intelligent Design has nothing to do with my existence?" You're right. I don't understand the concept, and neither you nor your cheerleaders have done well at explaining it. You've done even worse by promoting the notion that there is no other answer worthy of consideration where learning and education are concerned. The Inquisition never died. It only changed shoes.

861 posted on 05/26/2005 1:13:09 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Oh, the observations are there alright. The evidence is just as stong, if not stronger, for intelligent design.

Uh huh. Equally, the evidence is just as strong for wood sprites and Reynard the Fox and Rigelian lizard people, however, science is prejudiced toward selecting answers to questions that involve the least necessary leaps into assumptions about what we don't yet know.

It amuses me in a queer way to hear an intelligently designed being tell me there is no such thing as intelligent design involved is his existence.

I suppose then, that all post hoc, ergo propter hoc arguments amuse you.

Galileo would be rolling his eyes. The proponents of ID are the modern day Galileos, and this time folks like you are on the side of ignorance.

Much bravado, little sense or evidence. At least you're consistent.

862 posted on 05/26/2005 1:14:39 PM PDT by donh
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To: donh
. . . there would have been no compelling need for the Church to crack down on it.

Were it not for the fact that this book was received also among those in the church, who in that day were nearly the sole supporters of scientific endeavor, your statement would almost make sense.

863 posted on 05/26/2005 1:15:57 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: furball4paws
Take the bra. Put one marshmallow in each cup. Take a ride on the space shuttle ...

Your proposal is audacious and innovative. It makes more sense than ID. But then, that's a rather low standard.

864 posted on 05/26/2005 1:17:53 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
What, that inanimate matter can, by virtue of natural selection and random mutations, become alive and communicate with me by saying, "Intelligent Design has nothing to do with my existence?"What part of this process is not natural?
865 posted on 05/26/2005 1:18:50 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: TomB
"I don't think your example has it's intended effect. For your example to prove your point, scientists would still have to believe that the world is flat and refuse to believe any new evidence that the world is indeed round."

I think the point of the example was to show that scientific views are continually superceded. Science is a method, not a fixed worldview or a philosophy, and in my opinion those who argue for evolutionism are not honestly admitting their philosophical presuppositions. They are pretending they have none, and this is intellectually dishonest.
866 posted on 05/26/2005 1:20:10 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: PatrickHenry

Mathematical method of boiling water given a match, an idle stove, a kettle of cold water: light stove with the match, put the kettle on.

Mathematical method of boiling water given a match, a lit stove, a kettle of cold water: turn off the stove; now we've reduced the problem to the previous case.


867 posted on 05/26/2005 1:21:17 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: PatrickHenry; furball4paws
Nope. Gotta be a jock strap.

Indeed! That underwire plays heck with microwaves. :-)

(gets hot too) Oops... Should I have let on about that???

868 posted on 05/26/2005 1:23:48 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Here we go again ...

What, that inanimate matter can, by virtue of natural selection and random mutations, become alive and communicate with me by saying, "Intelligent Design has nothing to do with my existence?"

No one's talking about "inanimate matter." How many times has this been pointed out?

You're assuming 1) intelligence and 2) design, without having demonstrated either. Therefore, you're begging the question.

You're right. I don't understand the concept, and neither you nor your cheerleaders have done well at explaining it.

Please do not mistake your willful ignorance for the others' failure.

You've done even worse by promoting the notion that there is no other answer worthy of consideration where learning and education are concerned. The Inquisition never died. It only changed shoes.

Again, you appear confused. All the posters here are saying is that anything presented as science must be science. If you want to claim that ID is scientific, kindly point out where the science is in ID. I have yet to see anything remotely scientific about it.

869 posted on 05/26/2005 1:23:59 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Fester Chugabrew
The proponents of ID are the modern day Galileos, and this time folks like you are on the side of ignorance.

Please excuse me for saying so, but someone who has problems with basic scientific concepts is not in a good position to be accusing other people of ignorance. This is not to say that you can't have an opinion, but you should know that you are just not going to be considered an authoritative voice on the subject.

870 posted on 05/26/2005 1:26:45 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Dimensio; ArGee

Remember however, if you can observe it and test it, it ain't supernatural by definition.


871 posted on 05/26/2005 1:27:57 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: PatrickHenry

If you'll tell me how to do an e-raspberry, consider it done.


872 posted on 05/26/2005 1:28:45 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: donh
. . . the evidence is just as strong for wood sprites and Reynard the Fox and Rigelian lizard people.

Have you seen them? I haven't. Have you even heard serious reports of their existence? I haven't.

But I've seen intelligent design, and everytime I've seen it, I've reasonably assumed a designer is behind it. There IS evidence for intelligent design, far more than there is for natural selection and random muatations as agents in performing meaningful functions, let alone communicating information.

873 posted on 05/26/2005 1:29:38 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Okay, I'll bite. What about that entity evidences intelligent design? Could it be the jaw too small for the dentition (hence problems with wisdom teeth)? Could it be the back incompletely evolved for an upright stance (leading to back problems as one gets older)? Could it be the knees, which are subject to overstressing? Could it be the eyeball with the optic nerve lying over the center of vision? Enquiring minds want to know.


874 posted on 05/26/2005 1:31:40 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: RadioAstronomer; Gumlegs
Well, you could put on the bra, eat the marshmallows and get the microwave and chocolate. Kinky, but it should work every bit as well as PH's method. And maybe Gummy wouldn't mind grasping that one so much.
875 posted on 05/26/2005 1:32:48 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws; PatrickHenry
If you'll tell me how to do an e-raspberry, consider it done.

I beleive the correct form is, "Thphth!"

876 posted on 05/26/2005 1:33:10 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: billorites

Blindness. God's allowance of man to ignore God.


877 posted on 05/26/2005 1:34:36 PM PDT by Ecthelion
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To: RadioAstronomer

Dude! And I thought you were so butch! ;^)>


878 posted on 05/26/2005 1:35:31 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: Junior
Butch?!? Heck, he used to be a lumberjack.

I think there's a song ...

879 posted on 05/26/2005 1:38:06 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: furball4paws

880 posted on 05/26/2005 1:39:40 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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