Posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by billorites
Oh, I don't know, maybe trying to get the days work done, without spending an hour carefully analyzing and justifying every phrase you utter. You may take it as a given that when the average scientists says "the earth is 4.5 billion years old", that if pressed, he will pretty much say something along the lines I just demonstrated; few scientists are not aware that that number has migrated around quite a bit, even though it doesn't occur to them to explain the conditional, transitional nature of scientific theories to the audience, every time they open their mouths.
It is no shame to science that it carries varying degrees of certitude in the staements it makes, but it is a shame they maintain an air of certitude as if their statements are wholly matters of fact.
There is no more "air of certitude" in science than there is in welding or plumbing.
Dogmatic evolutionists exist, they have their convictions, and I am happy to hear them speak their convictions in the public arena. Far be it from me to accord them a sole voice.
Really? Can you point me to, say, a dozen examples of actual working scientists who are willing to say that evolutionary explanations cannot possibly be demonstrated to be wrong, or incomplete--ever? I don't know of any real scientists that would say such a thing. It would be a betrayal of the basic rules of science they learned at their daddy's knees.
From your post 2198
The point is, I do not dispute the formula. I dispute the argument that a calculated probability is "different" than that calculation. Buffon posed a question which is calculated. For a needle the same length as the separation of the parallel lines, the result is the value of 2/pi. Again, the summation can not be terminated, because if it is, the result is rational. That would be no different that stopping the dropping of needles and calculating the result. Buffon's question has a solution and it includes pi.
You say this like it's a Bad Thing. The alternative would be what? Embrace death?
No, and I would not expect to, but I could probably point to several dozen examples of actual working scientists who are willing to say that intelligent design cannot possibly demonstrated as worthy of discussion in a classroom setting, and who are willing to employ legistlatures and judges in their cause.
I had no idea all this time you were living in a flooded house and driving a jalopy.
I thank you, and the horse you rode in on.
I suspect it equals 10, usually, unless by "+" you mean something other than applying an add op code to a couple of CPU registers.
Always with the misleading rhetoric: I doubt that you can find such scientists, but I'll bet you can find plenty who will tell you that ID isn't worth discussing in a SCIENCE classroom--and that's because it isn't--it hasn't done the dogwork that makes other disciplines into sciences.
No, the point is that you made a claim which has been shown false but aren't man enough to admit it.
I agree, it is a dead horse. I've proved my point with Dawkins' writings. But as long as you guys post to me I'll give you the courtesy of a reply.
Ill play along though: It is my opinion that if Ayn Rand was Queen, she would ban religion.
Then her view of religion accords with Marx and in that arena her views were Marxist.
No. The point is, that this whole discussion has been over a series of assertions posted by Doctor Stochastic. I used his definitions to show a contradiction. Now this supposed great error on my part is what you have dug your teeth into. Enjoy the air which your jaws encompass. You can no more stop the summation than you can stop the dropping of needles to calculate the probability of Buffon's problem, they both involve pi. Arguments are in context. You ignore the context. So enjoy your air.
I posted this particular interview in its entirety up thread, around 2043 I think.
Ed seems to think that "stamping out" doesn't mean stamping out but something less than stamping out. Of course I have a different opinion since I can conceive of no rational reason to leave smallpox floating around the population if one could "stamp it out".
But my view on Dawkins isn't based on "quote mining", it's based on reading numerous articles he has written on religion and various interviews.
It's my opinion and if Dawkins thinks my opinion is "libel" Ed, he has no more understanding of the United States Constitution, American jurisprudence or libel laws in America.
placemarker
Now you're lying about my posts? That post is clear - one can want something stamped out but not advocate banning it. I for example would like Creationist Lying like yours stamped out, but don't think it should be banned.
Do you really think you're fooling anyone?
As for Dawkins, you have lied about him in writing and that is the dictionary meaning of libel, even here in America.
"Supposed" error? Bullshit. You claimed that rational arithmetic is closed under all the operations in that equation. It has been shown otherwise but you won't admit you were wrong. It is pathetic.
That post is clear - one can want something stamped out but not advocate banning it.
LOL, you're a joke Ed.
extinguish
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When will Dawkins be appearing?
Furthermore you know no more about the First Amendment, American jurisprudence or libel law than Mr. Dawkins, nor do you evidently care.
No Doc. The alternative would be to embrace Life.
Hey Gore3000! Hows it going?
Then her [Rand] view of religion accords with Marx and in that arena her views were Marxist.
Which goes to show how ridiculous using one's views on religion as a criteria for defining them as a Marxist.
This has been a very Gore3000esque exchange. Thanks for the memories.
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