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Girls' Dad Pulls Gun on Frat Boys
Manchester Union Leader ^ | 5/21/2005 | RILEY YATES and JODY RECORD

Posted on 05/21/2005 2:04:22 PM PDT by Poser

A Manchester man who went to retrieve his two daughters from a party at a University of New Hampshire fraternity was arrested early yesterday morning after he pulled a handgun and told revelers to "back off."

(Excerpt) Read more at unionleader.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: bang; cary; college; dad; donutwatch; drinking; frat; fraternity; guns; leo; parentalrights; unh
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To: Libertarian444

Feel free to make your own fantasy laws to your hearts content, but they won't hold up in court. You might for example decide that in YOUR HOUSE (emphasis yours) your kids are minors until they are 29, NO MATTER WHAT (emphasis yours) and that the politicians of your state or anywhere else have no say, but I'm afraid you'd find the reality that smacked you upside your head is markedly different than your fantasy.


241 posted on 05/22/2005 8:24:20 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas
"I didn't have anything to add. We've examined several statutes in the course of this thread. Basically, it would come down to what a prosecutor thought he could sell a jury. Could a prosecutor sell kidnapping, when two girls over the age of consent willing go with someone to a party? I doubt it, but I've no way to prove it, hence my lack of responses.

As you can see in the italicized sections of post #207 charges of kidnapping and unlawful restraint are clearly applicable. According to the kidnapping statute they are under the age of 18 and whether they go willingly or not, enticement, is not an issue.

Your original post to me " No moral qualms about trumped up charges against the college students? Man, that's just sick." was regarding the validity of my suggestion of charging the frat boys with kidnapping children, false imprisonment and corrupting morals of minors. All of these charges are supportable according to the pertinent state statutes and information provided in the two stories. Felony threatening of the father is also supportable by the information in the stories. Your assertion that the girls were of the age of consent is clearly incorrect when it comes to kidnapping, corruption of the morals of a minor and providing alcohol to a minor.

243 posted on 05/22/2005 9:02:23 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Melas
Sometimes what you take to be "self defense" is an "assault" in someone else's book.

Recall that it was only a couple of weeks ago that Florida removed the obligation from the victim of an assault to first withdraw before defending himself. If you were attacked and didn't withdraw, you could find yourself going to jail if you prevailed, and you would most certainly find your assailant suing you in court.

Since Liquor Laws are flavoring this particular situation, it's wise to remember that simply standing aside doesn't make you innocent of what happens to the liquor on your premises.

244 posted on 05/23/2005 4:23:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Melas

An important point to remember regarding tenants are the terms of the lease. An house guest of whatever duration is actually just a tenant. You can make up whatever rules you wish, and without a signed lease, kick them out on the street if they violate those terms.


245 posted on 05/23/2005 4:25:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Gunrunner2

Thank You feel.

I wish the best for your lad likewise.


246 posted on 05/23/2005 8:35:11 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Melas

Thanks


247 posted on 05/23/2005 8:42:45 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: martin_fierro
Twin 17-year old daughters

What is it with twin daughters and booze? ;o)

248 posted on 05/23/2005 8:49:10 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: iconoclast

I dunno, but I hope that my brother (father of twin girls and quite a partier in his own right, back in the day) never finds out.


249 posted on 05/23/2005 9:01:58 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Impetuous! Homeric!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Babysitting 17 year old girls aren't the frat guys' responsibility. Maybe the girls shouldn't have attended the party in the first place, ever think of that?

They should not have, but that doesn't mean the frat guys have no responsibility in the matter either. They certainly have the responsibility not to interfer when the girls father comes to get them, especially considering it was at their request.

250 posted on 05/23/2005 9:14:50 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: muawiyah
Using this news article

I can't find the danged article ... so help me out if you can.

Does it say that the girls disappeared on May 17?

That was a Tuesday. Unless things have changed a lot since I was in college, beer parties normally occur on Fri or Sat night.

These gals then were missing for 3-4 days?

Sounds to me like some little asses needed to be kicked, but not necessarily those of the frat boys.

251 posted on 05/23/2005 9:23:40 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Poser
We just can't get enough of University of New Hampshire's people. You'll get a laugh out of this one too: http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050523/REPOSITORY/505230322/1001/NEWS01

 

252 posted on 05/24/2005 6:59:38 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: El Gato

When he started "asking questions" about the party the shit hit the fan. Now I can't fault him and approve of his bravado but it was plain stupid to start challenging a bunch of drunk frat boys. They only fight in packs when they are assured of winning. Pulling the gun was necessitated from his "questions". I bet they weren't couched in friendly terms either. I approve of his actions in general, I just believe it was stupid to challenge a bunch of drunk frat boys - it ended in a predictable fashion.


253 posted on 05/25/2005 6:59:50 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Krankor
Come on? Every one of those frat brats should be expelled, yesterday. They should flip burgers for the rest of their lives, wondering why they screwed up. The dad should be stood a round, and that would be that.
254 posted on 05/25/2005 7:06:30 PM PDT by JasonC
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