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Girls' Dad Pulls Gun on Frat Boys
Manchester Union Leader ^ | 5/21/2005 | RILEY YATES and JODY RECORD

Posted on 05/21/2005 2:04:22 PM PDT by Poser

A Manchester man who went to retrieve his two daughters from a party at a University of New Hampshire fraternity was arrested early yesterday morning after he pulled a handgun and told revelers to "back off."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: bang; cary; college; dad; donutwatch; drinking; frat; fraternity; guns; leo; parentalrights; unh
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To: TheWriterTX

I'm very sorry to hear about what happened to your dear friend. Because she was driven both to and from the party by her parents, and because "party parents" were believed to be chaperoning, I assume she was not at a college age party, but a high school one. Her circumstances are very unfortunate, and very different from the circumstances of these two 17 year old girls, who were at a college age party.
Seventeen year old girls have no business at a college frat party. Fraternities are not unreasonable to assume all guests at their parties are at least of college age, if not students at their campus. They also have absolutely no reason to want 17 year old girls at their party, and therefore probably had no idea of these girls' age.
If the father of two 17 year old girls was at my frat house demanding his daughters, we'd want them the hell out of there every bit as much as he, especially if they'd been drinking, seeing as how we probably didn't know they were 17. Therefore, I'd assume the fraternity brothers surrounding him was a result af his demeanor, which was probably very volitile and threatening, seeing as how he's the type to pull a gun on a house full of strangers.
If a middle aged man, or woman for that matter, whom I'd never met before approached my fraternity house during a party brandishing a gun, the fact that he believed his/ her daughters were present at my house would immediately become completely irrelevant. Law enforcement would certainly be called, and I would expect the man to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


101 posted on 05/21/2005 4:15:16 PM PDT by Jred1116
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To: Poser

John M. Lohnes needs to contact an attorney. He should have the attorney sue the fraternity officers for interfering with parental rights by giving the underage girls alcoholic beverages. He should also have the attorney help him swear out a complaint against each member of the fraternity who might have circled around him. In New Hampshire that act constitutes assault if it is threatening and kidnapping (which by the way is still a capital crime in New Hampshire) if it is meant to prevent an individual from exercising his free will to leave. Once the complaint is filed, the Durham police will have 24 hours to act upon it. If they refuse to act upon it, Lohnes can file the complaint with the New Hampshire state police along with an additional complaint against the Durham Police Department. If the New Hamsphire state police refuse to act, he can file a complaint against the New Hampshire state police with the New Hampshire attorney general. I can assure you that neither the fraternity nor the Durham P.D. nore the New Hampshire state police want the trouble their actions have caused them. Oh, by the way, it's not really credible that the Durham P.D. was not able to determine if Lohnes had a valid carry permit. If the computer was down -- a common excuse which is usually in the vernacular a lie -- the Durham P.D. could have telephoned -- yeah, I know it's New Hampshire, but there are telephones there -- the Manchester P.D. Were I Lohnes, I would also get as many names of the individuals my daughters came into contact with and find out precisely what happened. Any in appropriate touching -- since the age of consent in New Hampshire is 18 -- is statutory rape.


102 posted on 05/21/2005 4:15:49 PM PDT by Lunkhead_01
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To: TheWriterTX
As to your comment about Dad not getting off the campus; that's some mighty wishful thinking.

I totally agree with you. I was responding to a post from Melas. See post 71.

103 posted on 05/21/2005 4:21:19 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: Lunkhead_01

"since the age of consent in New Hampshire is 18 -- is statutory rape"

It is 16 in New Hampshire. I believe I read somewhere that it is actually 15 1/2 or older (they round up).


104 posted on 05/21/2005 4:21:20 PM PDT by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
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To: the anti-liberal
The courts, the judge in this town- are they liberal? If so, I wonder about his chances...

It is a university town in a blue state. What do you think? I'd say slim to none.

105 posted on 05/21/2005 4:21:50 PM PDT by Conservative Infidel (Only thing harder to find in US Senate these days than a Dem w/ a conscience is a Rep w/ a spine.)
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To: Poser

The world needs more dads like this.


106 posted on 05/21/2005 4:23:18 PM PDT by k2blader ('Lost' ping list - Please FReepmail me if you want on/off. :-)
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To: raybbr

Excuse me, but I never mentioned their appearance. This father has some serious problems with his daughters is what I was saying.
I think he was justified in pulling the gun, and, if they were mine, I would have gotten the kids also.


107 posted on 05/21/2005 4:26:33 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: Krankor

Okay. You have made it clear. You are more concerned with your ability to drink and hang with your buds then care a whit about two young girls.


108 posted on 05/21/2005 4:26:44 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: brooklin
"I'd be willing to bet a substantial amount of money that they didn't look, or act, 17. I'm guessing that these young ladies have been out of control for a while, and that nearly anybody in whatever town they came from would be _more_ than happy to tell us all about it."

You responded to this quote by saying, " Exactly. These "girls' left home on the 17th. They hadn't just left that afternoon."

I took that to mean that you agreed with the entire quote. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

109 posted on 05/21/2005 4:30:12 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: Poser

The age of consent is 16 for male-female sex if both individuals are emancipated. It is 18 if the individual is not emancipated. The twins being 17 and living at home are not emancipated.


110 posted on 05/21/2005 4:30:27 PM PDT by Lunkhead_01
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To: Melas
"No moral qualms about trumped up charges against the college students? Man, that's just sick."

Let's see. Providing alcohol to minors? If they had a sip of beer that'll stick. Corrupting morals of a minor? If they had a sip of beer and anything untoward happened(it's a frat party remember). Somebody smoked a joint, did a line, had a fight, porn on tv or made lascivious comments to the girls. That'll stick.

Kidnapping and false imprisonment? The girls have been reported missing and the parents don't know whether they are alive or dead for at least 3 days. Someone took them to a party 40 miles away without parents knowledge and wouldn't give them a ride home and they are minors. If they were a few years younger there would be no question.

Let's add another: felony threatening. Surrounding the father and putting him in fear of his safety and that of his daughters.

What's sick is this father being charged at all. You don't seem to have a problem with those bogus charges.

111 posted on 05/21/2005 4:33:07 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Krankor
A kidnapping? It doesn't say who gave the twins a ride to the party. Maybe it was another 17 year old girl who didn't want to leave when the twins did. Next thing you know, this 47 year old geezer shows up at a frat party demanding to know who's throwing it. The kids decide to throw him out and the guy pulls a gun. Come on. Maybe 100 hours of picking up trash along the highway might make Dad think before he acts next time.

It is easy to monday-morning-quarterback this one. As the father of a young lady who was 17 not too long ago, I would have moved heaven & hell to get her home ASAP. Reading the article I was asking myself why he didn't simply call Durham police and ask them to retrieve his daughters and he could meet them at Durham PD. But when fathers get calls like this one, the reflex reaction is to drive 90 MPH to Durham and rescue the girls yourself. I can sympathize with this father's plight.

112 posted on 05/21/2005 4:34:45 PM PDT by Conservative Infidel (Only thing harder to find in US Senate these days than a Dem w/ a conscience is a Rep w/ a spine.)
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To: raybbr

It's okay, I get cranky sometimes.


113 posted on 05/21/2005 4:37:04 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: Lunkhead_01

"The age of consent is 16 for male-female sex if both individuals are emancipated. It is 18 if the individual is not emancipated. The twins being 17 and living at home are not emancipated."

The only statute I could find went as follows:

IV. Engages in sexual contact with the person when the actor is in a position of authority over the person and uses that authority to coerce the victim to submit under any of the following circumstances:

(a) When the actor has supervisory authority over the victim by virtue of the victim being incarcerated in a correctional
institution or juvenile detention facility; or
(b) When a probation or parole officer has supervisory authority over the victim while the victim is on parole or probation or under juvenile probation.

Source. 1975, 302:1. 1981, 415:4. 1985, 228:4, eff. Jan. 1, 1986. 1997,
220:3, eff. Jan. 1, 1998.

This statute doesn't support your position. Perhaps there is another that I can't find.


115 posted on 05/21/2005 4:47:18 PM PDT by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Krankor

Make Dad think??

Your comment is a clear symptom of what is wrong in this country...


116 posted on 05/21/2005 5:06:09 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: AZHua87
Too bad the frat party wasn't in the next state across state line. Had it been then whoever drove the girls to the party could have been charged in federal court under the Mann Act - Transporting a Minor across state lines fro immoral purposes (if it is even still on the books.)

It is.

18 USC § 2421

Whoever knowingly transports any individual in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United States, with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.


117 posted on 05/21/2005 5:17:55 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Sterrins
Someone's bitter.

Not at all. As a former New Englander, I can appreciate MTR's comments. I wouldn't go back there for 10 million bucks.

118 posted on 05/21/2005 5:19:05 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 50 goals this season ( if there is a season)
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To: FreedomCalls
WE should use that on these child predators separately from whatever state statute and sentence they serve.
119 posted on 05/21/2005 5:21:52 PM PDT by AZHua87 (Insurgent BloggerVet!)
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To: Krankor
Let me see if I got this right. You're at a party enjoying yourself when two girls you don't know from a hole in the wall, come up to you and demand you drive them back home to their dad. So, if you don't drive them home, you're holding them against their will? Huh? Double huh?

You left out the part where their dad shows up and you and your friends surround him to prevent him from taking the girls home when they are requesting to go with him.

120 posted on 05/21/2005 5:22:37 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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