Posted on 05/18/2005 10:21:08 PM PDT by davidosborne
Text Credit to Ken5050: DAY-1 THREAD
Welcome, all you Freepers, to the continuing C-span soap operas about judicial nominations. "The Guiding SEARCHLIGHT, " "As the SENATE Turns, "One NOMINATION to Live" "GERIATRIC Hospital" (for all you Byrd and Lautenberg fans out there). Follow along with us, as the Dems raise the level of histrionics, bloviation, pontification, and all around bad acting to new highs, er, lows...
Feingold is honking me off! Get him out of here!
Be sure to watch Tom Coburn and Sam Brownback. Excellent.
to current caller, CRY ME A RIVER! I can't take any more Feingold, going back to Fox let me know when he's done!
second that, Feingold gone at last
Fox is reporting that there is no deal yet!
When will the public understand that the Constitutional option DOES NOT kill a fillibuster--It kills the SUPER MAJORITY RULE! Nowhere in the Constitution is a super majority rule mentioned, in fact it wasn't around until 1917 (as a protest against President Wilson wanting to establish a WW1 version of FDR's Lend-Lease) and at that time it was a 3/4 (or 67-33 in today's terms) rule--and THE RULES of the Senate were again changed in the 1960s (to the lower 60-40 standard) because of SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS using fillibusters against Civil Rights legislation.
Praise God, Feingold is sooooo annoying! Hammer is leading the pledge!
From time to time, I ask "how can this be forced?" I'm not asking for an answer here, but whoever would force this needs to think through how to force it. I could not find a "talk or vote" rule, either in the text of Senate Rules, or in Riddick's Senate Procedure, or in any of a number of articles written regarding historical "take to the floor" filibusters. Seems all the talkers did so voluntarily.
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Akaka, Daniel- (D - HI)
Allen, George- (R - VA)
Bingaman, Jeff- (D - NM)
Burns, Conrad- (R - MT)
Byrd, Robert- (D - WV)
Cantwell, Maria- (D - WA)
Carper, Thomas- (D - DE)
Chafee, Lincoln- (R - RI)
Clinton, Hillary- (D - NY)
Conrad, Kent- (D - ND)
Corzine, Jon- (D - NJ)
Dayton, Mark- (D - MN)
DeWine, Mike- (R - OH)
Ensign, John- (R - NV)
Feinstein, Dianne- (D - CA)
Frist, Bill- (R - TN)
Hatch, Orrin- (R - UT)
Hutchison, Kay- (R - TX)
Jeffords, James- (I - VT)
Kennedy, Edward- (D - MA)
Kohl, Herb- (D - WI)
Kyl, Jon- (R - AZ)
Lieberman, Joseph- (D - CT)
Lott, Trent- (R - MS)
Lugar, Richard- (R - IN)
Nelson, Bill- (D - FL)
Nelson, Ben- (D - NE)
Santorum, Rick- (R - PA)
Sarbanes, Paul- (D - MD)
Snowe, Olympia- (R - ME)
Talent, James- (R - MO)
Thomas, Craig- (R - WY)
In reading Riddick's Senate procedure (in a failed attempt to find the "talk or vote" rule), notice that Senate procedure requires 2/3rds supermajority to postpone indefinitely, consideration of a Treaty. That cannot be squared with cloture (technically, because motions to table are not debatable - but it is a higher hurdle thatn the 60 votes recided in Rule XXII)
Likewise then, it would take a simple majority to postpone indefinitely the consideration of a nominee. Not a minority, as the DEMs have been asserting, and as the DEMs have successfully done using the supermajority requirement of (the GOP asked for it!) Rule XXII.
The appendix has forms and the phrases uttered by the chair. Compare the form of handling a Nomination (starting at page 1521) with the form of handling a Treaty (starting at page 1554). In particular, that for a treaty, a motion to postpone indefinitely (to not act) requires a two thirds majority.
This implies that a simple majority is required to lay aside a nominee, and that less than a simple majority is not sufficient to lay aside the nominee.
A 24/7 filibuster could be entertaining! "where has my adversary gone....?"
Yesterday CSPIN had Bork on so today they have this leftist twit.
If anything is going to happen, it will be between 8:15 and 8:45 PM. That is the last time scheduled for the day, and is controlled by the GOP.
Ah that's it, I usually watch Fox, it's better for my blood pressure! LOL The WJ can get my blood going with all the whiney Democrats! The sky is always falling! They are so dramatic! Buck up babies!
Just prior to that she was reading something about someone using their senate email to send and/or receive pornography. Anyone hear this?
Wondering who the culprit is.
This CNN report just now say GOP and Dems are striking a deal, Dems approve some nominees in exchange for no nuke. Then again CNN would say that.
Is there anyone here who cares whether or not the Democrats have equal time? They never cared about minority rights when they ruled and screwed up this country for 40 years!
Chip Reid, in a taped segment on MSNBC, just lead into a sound clip of Frist on the floor. Reid said "Republicans on the floor have accused Democrats of wanting...", trailing into the clip just as Frist said "to kill, to assassinate these nominees". I've heard plenty of crap from the MSM recently, but I have never heard such an outrageous out-of-context segment on a supposed "news" channel in all my life. Does Reid really expect people to think that the Senate Majority Leader, on the Record, would accuse the minority party of actually desiring to murder these nominees? Unbelievable. Reid followed that up with by playing Dick Durbin's response about the "irresponsible" Republicans. I guess it just fits the template.
That's already been rejected. The last deal I heard about was that all nominees would get a vote in exchange for no nuke option for remainder of session and no filibuster except in extreme circumstances.
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