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GOP Aides Say New Patriot Act Obliges Bush
Yahoo News ^ | 5/18/05 | MARK SHERMAN/AP

Posted on 05/18/2005 5:58:44 PM PDT by wagglebee

The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee is working on a bill that would renew the Patriot Act and expand government powers in the name of fighting terrorism, letting the FBI subpoena records without permission from a judge or grand jury.

Much of the debate in Congress has concerned possibly limiting some of the powers in the anti-terrorism law passed 45 days after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

But the measure being written by Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., would give the FBI new power to issue administrative subpoenas, which are not reviewed by a judge or grand jury, for quickly obtaining records, electronic data or other evidence in terrorism investigations, according to aides for the GOP majority on the committee who briefed reporters Wednesday.

Recipients could challenge the subpoenas in court and the Bush administration would have to report to Congress twice a year exactly how it was using this investigatory power, the aides said.

The administration has sought this power for two years, but so far been rebuffed by lawmakers. It is far from certain that Congress will give the administration everything it wants this year.

Roberts' planned bill also would make it easier for prosecutors to use special court-approved warrants for secret wiretaps and searches of suspected terrorists and spies in criminal cases, the committee aides said.

Eight expiring sections of the law that deal with foreign intelligence investigations would become permanent, they said.

So, too, would a provision that authorizes wiretapping of suspected terrorists who operate without clear ties to a particular terrorist network.

The aides spokes on condition of anonymity because Roberts has yet to make public the bill's contents.

Opponents of expanding the Patriot Act said Roberts' proposal would amount to an expansive wish list for the administration.

"While we're fighting to bring provisions ... back into balance with the Bill of Rights, here we have the intelligence committee moving to give the government more power outside the judicial system to gain access to records of Americans," said former GOP Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia, a critic of the law.

Lisa Graves, the American Civil Liberties Union's senior counsel for legislative strategy, said the new subpoena power would "be a dramatic expansion of secret search powers."

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and other administration officials have been adamant that the expiring provisions become permanent, with few changes.

They also have pushed for the administrative subpoena power, which they say prosecutors already are using in health care fraud and other criminal cases.

Justice Department officials have been consulted on the legislation and offered technical advice, department spokesman Kevin Madden said.

"The Department of Justice appreciates that the Senate Intelligence Committee has signaled their intention to support provisions that enhance law enforcement's ability to combat terrorism effectively," Madden said.

Committee aides said the committee planned to meet in private when it considers the bill because the discussions would involve intelligence operations.

Barr said he was distressed that the committee "would do something like this in secret."

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., the panel's senior Democrat, has not said publicly whether he would support the entire bill that Roberts was working on or seek changes.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; bush; fbi; fourthamendment; govwatch; homelandsecurity; patriotact; privacy
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To: libertarianben
The government may "protect" us from acts of terror by terrorist but who protects us from acts of terror from our government?

The Second Amendment.
21 posted on 05/18/2005 8:30:03 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: wagglebee
Makes a person wonder what the PTB have on ole Pat Roberts (R) Kansas or what he's been promised...can't believe he just thought this crap up on his own and decided he needed to do it for the sake of the nation...

imo

22 posted on 05/18/2005 8:37:50 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: soloNYer

The timing is suspect....so is the suspect :)


23 posted on 05/18/2005 8:39:07 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: wagglebee

Have you ever thought to consider that maybe the Administration knows that a certain % of judges are sympathetic to the Islamofascist movement?


24 posted on 05/18/2005 8:51:14 PM PDT by bamaborn
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To: bamaborn

The PA is being brought in piecemeal just like the ohio seat belt law.

1st they had a vigorous "click it" campaign that was voluntary.

Later a patrolman could give you a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt ONLY IF he puled you over for say speeding and noticed you where not wearing a belt.

Now a patrolman can ticket you for just not wearing a seatbelt.


Just wait to somebody like Hillary gets in office. Oh boy!!!

Of course Bush is heading right to a police state anyway.


25 posted on 05/19/2005 12:49:10 AM PDT by superiorslots
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To: wagglebee
I wonder if this is just a leak to stir up trouble, or if they are actually planing to pass this.

If the former, well that is par for the course. The latter? Well, then the Republic and Constitution are just about dead.
26 posted on 05/19/2005 6:00:02 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wagglebee

This is a Assoc Press "reporter", meaning a DNC operative, I will wait to see it for myself.


27 posted on 05/19/2005 6:04:04 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: superiorslots
Now a patrolman can ticket you for just not wearing a seatbelt.

It just keeps getting worse. Seatbelt checkpoint in Delaware.


28 posted on 05/19/2005 6:16:48 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: wagglebee
IMHO, this is clearly unconstitutional.

But it's ok, because Republicans are in power, and the democrats aren't, right? There's no chance that a democrat will ever have these powers at their disposal, right??

Am I sounding sarcastic or cynical this mornig :-)
29 posted on 05/19/2005 6:49:48 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

I don't want ANYBODY to have this degree of unchecked power. The Constitution was designed, in part, to protect us from government, this would clearly violate this.


30 posted on 05/19/2005 6:51:36 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
All we really need to do is secure the borders

Thanks, I needed to start the day off with a laugh. Don't you know, it's much easier to stop the terrorists after they are already in the country?
31 posted on 05/19/2005 6:53:05 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Wolfhound777

The Second Amendment doesn't matter anymore. Look at all the gun laws.


32 posted on 05/19/2005 8:03:24 AM PDT by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: ActionNewsBill

"Your papers please, comrade."
33 posted on 05/19/2005 8:36:14 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: Redcitizen; Steve_Seattle; Celtjew Libertarian

After our discussion yesterday about secret courts and such I thought I'd ping y'all over here.


34 posted on 05/19/2005 8:39:22 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: rattrap

Since it is Star Wars day today and I happen to be a fan...

the correct thing to say in a situation like this is: "you don't need to see our identification. These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along."

Sorry. Could not resist it.


35 posted on 05/19/2005 12:42:14 PM PDT by Redcitizen (One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter)
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