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To: NewLand
RE: extreme analysis and China as a giant North Korea

During the Cold War the progressives and the internationalist Rockefeller Republican "free traders" argued strongly for trade with the Soviet Union. We must trade and help the "moderates" lest we play into the hands of the "hard liners" and we cause a war, they warned.

Better minds prevailed perhaps because those very same minds had experience defeating enemies. Not so today and thus we should be reminded that, extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

China, a people with no history of a social contract and respect for the individual, is going to become a western-style, free market democracy? All we have to do is more "free trade" transfer of technology, wealth, and jobs? Sure.

I think that this article

http://www.bolshevik.org/1917/no26/no26china.html

published by the International Bolshevik Tendency (IBT) describes what is more likely to happen. I hope so.

To wit, a second communist revolution ending Deng's version of Lenin's New Economic Plan (NEP). The reference to NEP is mine.

End the corruption of "socialism with Chinese characteristics" the revolutionary way, exterminate the new "landlords" and the traitors to the Revolution.

Then seize what the western "useful idiots" have provided and continue the march to international socialism.

Let them defeat themselves fighting for two versions of socialism. We have no will to do it, we rush to sell them rope.

The IBT is a revolutionary socialist organization founded by former cadres of the international Spartacist tendency (today the International Communist League).

98 posted on 05/18/2005 6:13:40 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Goo- goo- google, good bye!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

I agree, and please point out to me where I am not fully and totally in support of our liberty triumphing over the Chicoms and socialism anywhere?

I did a very quick read on that lengthy article from 'the enemy' (I will now scan my computer for viruses and wash my eyes after reading a white paper from the bolsheviks), but I believe much of it supports my position that China is not strong enough to withstand the power of the USA.

I found this section particularly interesting:

The Imperialist Noose

The imperialist noose around China’s neck has tightened considerably in the past few years. The restoration of China as a field for unfettered imperialist looting remains a key strategic priority of the U.S. One of the objectives of America’s recent neo-colonial wars has been to increase its leverage over the Chinese deformed workers’ state. China is increasingly dependent on imported oil, and the creation of a viable U.S. puppet state in Iraq would represent a real threat to Beijing.

U.S. military installations in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, established during the conquest of Afghanistan, have displaced Chinese influence in former Soviet Central Asia. In addition to its garrisons in Afghanistan, South Korea and Japan, the U.S. is currently negotiating with Vietnam and Thailand for naval and air facilities and is continuing to arm Taiwan. U.S. policy is currently focused on exerting economic pressure on China and checking its ability to project power abroad. At the same time, American missiles permanently target key Chinese installations, and the risk of aggressive military action against the Chinese deformed workers’ state on one pretext or another remains very real.

Sounds good to me! :-D Much of the rest read like typical socialist idealism and dreams...no reality.

109 posted on 05/18/2005 7:37:29 AM PDT by NewLand (Faith in The Lord trumps all!)
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