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To: Wallace T.

I am concerned about some of your choices of terminology/assumptions. "Lower status whites" are the only ones who cross racial lines in intermarriage? "Conservative homeschooling evangelicals" don't marry across racial lines? "Brazilianized"?

There's a certain flavor to your post that strikes me as subtle racism, dressed up as demographics.

Maybe I'm off base, but I'd like to see documentation for several of the assumptions you seem to rely upon for your conclusions.


17 posted on 05/12/2005 1:00:18 PM PDT by LikeLight ("You will regret any attempts to turn these posts into a comic book.")
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To: LikeLight
First off, intermarriage is becoming more accepted and is no longer a fringe phenomenon. White separatists are now the fringe. However, those who are separatists because of racist ideology are relatively few in number and tend to be from lower socio-economic levels. If McVeigh and Nichols, the two men convicted of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, are typical of this group, they are unlikely to have large, well disciplined families, good income, or stable personal lives.

I did state that there would be increasing levels of marriage between lower income whites and blacks, Hispanics, and Southeast Asians. The latter three groups (and American Indians) tend to be in the lower strata of American society. There is plenty of evidence that interracial marriages are increasing, as well as non-marriage relationships that result in children being born. Census figures and state vital statistics attest to this occurrence.

Because of better education and self-discipline, immigrants from Northeast Asia (and India as well) tend to rise quickly into the professional ranks. Two common visions of early 21st Century American life are those of a working class single white mother taking care of her part-black children and the Asian teenager chosen as valedictorian in the local high school. The white woman may have had ancestors who came to America on the Mayflower, and the Asian kid may have emigrated from India 12 years ago with his parents. But 20 years from now, the immigrant valedictorian may be the supervisor or the landlord of the Mayflower descendants. This is not a new phenomenon in American history, as can be seen by the phenomenal success of Eastern European Jews, compared with other ethnic groups that came to America in the 1880-1920 era.

Using the analogy of Americans whose background was in the Eastern European Jewish communities for Northeast Asian and South Asian immigrants, it is likely that they will be assimilated into the upper and middle classes. This is already beginning to occur. White men married to Chinese-American or Korean-American women are not an uncommon sight in middle class suburbs, and the percentage of white-Asian intermarriage is on the rise, per vital statistics records. Consider that daughters of John Kennedy and Al Gore are married to Jewish men. The Kennedys (or, more accurately, the Bouvier and Auchincloss families from which Jackie Kennedy came) and the Gores are what used to be called society. In the 1930s, marriage to a Jew was unthinkable in society ranks, and a genteel anti-Semitism was the norm among wealthy non-Jews. In the early 21st Century, at least one half of Jewish marriages involve a non-Jewish spouse.

To continue the Jewish-Asian analogy, there is the likelihood of interracial marriage of higher status whites with Northeast Asians and South Asians among the upper and middle classes. Inasmuch as Asians represent a major portion of the population of cities like Vancouver, BC, and San Francisco, the likelihood is that the local elites will be at least partly Northeast Asian in the near term, say 2025.

The "Brazilinization" term is generally accurate in that in Brazil, the upper classes are mostly white, the middle class is largely mixed race, and the lower classes largely black. The same is true with Mexico, except that Indians, not blacks, represent the lower rungs of society. It is inaccurate to the extent that the upper and middle classes will have considerable Northeast Asian and Asian Indian intermixture. In Latin American societies, Jews, Chinese, and other affluent ethnic groups tend to maintain separate communities. My guess is that separatism of this sort will not happen in the United States and Canada.

26 posted on 05/13/2005 6:41:38 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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