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New York Student Sues High School for Prohibiting Pro-Life Shirt
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Posted on 05/11/2005 2:11:51 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly

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To: Puddleglum
I am waiting for the chorus from other threads to line up and say "He must obey the school board. Learning to repect authority is the paramount issue in this matter."

But then you always were more optimistic than me ...

101 posted on 05/11/2005 6:00:23 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Semper
What about sperm? Sperm is alive. Just because it has not made it to the egg, does that mean that its life is not significant?

Ant Z: "...sometimes here in the Colony I feel so...insignificant."

Therapist Ant: "EXCELLENT, Z! That's a real breakthrough.

Ant Z: "It is? How's that?"

Therapist Ant: Well, Z. You ARE insignificant."

Ant Z: "I am?"

-from the motion picture "ANTZ"; Dreamworks Productions, 2003

102 posted on 05/11/2005 6:01:41 PM PDT by O Neill (Aye, Katie Scarlett, the ONLY thing that lasts is the land...)
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To: who knows what evil?
while Terri Schindler was being murdered

There is also the view that those who wanted Terri to remain in her tormented state were "pro torture". How would you like to be trapped in a non functioning body for several years, dependent on others for your most intimate functioning and unable to communicate or interact in a manner anywhere close to normal? To most people that would be torture in the most sever degree. Does it raise our standing to force someone to endure this most inhumane of conditions just so we can maintain some superstitious belief about our human condition? If so, that is too bad.

103 posted on 05/11/2005 6:03:11 PM PDT by Semper
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To: nosurrender
The ACLU stands up for freedom of speech, for everyone.

Until they mention the word Jesus.

104 posted on 05/11/2005 6:06:43 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Semper

How do you know Terri's brain wasn't self aware? Are you her "self"?

I think your existence must be pure torture. Your testimony otherwise is just proof that your "self" is utterly deluded and can no longer be trusted to provide credible testimony about your true state.

Got a better standard for defining human life? Maybe "independence" or the ability to preserve the self? Any others?


105 posted on 05/11/2005 6:09:36 PM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Puddleglum
prove to me a tree or a rock is not self aware. "Self-awareness" is always decided by someone other than the self,

You can prove that for yourself. Have you communicated with a tree or a rock? Be that as it may, you and I have communicated, therefore we are self-aware by your definition.

Have you read all of my posts on this thread? That would be a good idea if you actually want to understand what I am saying.

106 posted on 05/11/2005 6:18:07 PM PDT by Semper
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To: sassbox

I don't think public schools should be in the business of regulating freedom of expression, unless we're going to do away with the First Amendment. I wonder where the ACLU is on this one.


107 posted on 05/11/2005 6:18:28 PM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: Semper

So all of a sudden "communication" is your standard? I just want to be clear. A second ago it was self-awareness. It IS communication now, right?


108 posted on 05/11/2005 6:21:09 PM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Jokelahoma

Not quite sure why this student should be required to "hold his tongue" about his political beliefs on public property. Protecting controversial speech is what the 1st Amendment is all about.

In this age of school shootings, it seems the schools have bigger problems on their hands than a student choosing to express his views.


109 posted on 05/11/2005 6:24:37 PM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: Semper
There are many ways you can try to "trap" the Bible. What did the carnivores eat on Noah's Ark, etc. You have to look at what is not said in the Bible stories. The Ark did not have two males or two females of each animal but male and female. There weren't lots of Adam and Eve couples but only one. Etc. The truth is so much more monumental than our petty little quarrels about literal versus figurative.
110 posted on 05/11/2005 6:26:03 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Puddleglum
How do you know Terri's brain wasn't self aware

I don't know that for sure - even though Doctors testified under oath that she was not self aware. But, I hope she was not self aware - how would you like to be trapped in a mostly non functioning body for years on end? Imagine being stuck in a (body) coffin, unable to move, unable to read, unable to communicate, etc. - would that not drive almost anyone insane? We would not allow a convicted murder to endure those conditions.

111 posted on 05/11/2005 6:27:32 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Semper
I wouldn't want to be a midget either but I don't think we should kill midgets. Your emotionally based arguments don't hold up particularly well.
112 posted on 05/11/2005 6:33:34 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: firebrand
There weren't lots of Adam and Eve couples but only one.

Well, that was my point. How did humanity multiply from Adam and Eve without massive incest? And since incest was inevitable and required for the expansion of mankind, what is wrong with it now?

113 posted on 05/11/2005 6:34:02 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Puddleglum
So all of a sudden "communication" is your standard?

No, communication is just evidence of self-awareness. Not a very difficult concept ... Please try to think a little longer before replying.

114 posted on 05/11/2005 6:40:54 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Semper
My point was that all of us stemming from the same original couple is the important truth. There was no convergent evolution, so that is the physical truth conveyed. Before we had the leisure and curiosity to get into all these literal-versus-figurative arguments, we understood from the Creation story that there was one source.

And spiritually, there had to be a first human. The animals don't understand that there is a God. There had to be a first creature who could see that there was a God. And that was Adam. To worry about incest when a truth like that is being given to us is looking for flyshit in the pepper.

115 posted on 05/11/2005 6:41:58 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
To worry about incest when a truth like that is being given to us is looking for flyshit in the pepper.

LOL, good one.

116 posted on 05/11/2005 6:51:12 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Semper
Are you capable of being rational? All your replies are overly emotional, you really need to calm down a bit. Its like talking to a high school student.
117 posted on 05/11/2005 6:52:14 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: jwalsh07

This school district as a legal target is so juicy that I am salivating.


118 posted on 05/11/2005 7:16:04 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: firebrand
And spiritually, there had to be a first human.

I don't agree. Spiritually, there is no beginning and no ending - spirit is eternal. I do not believe that my life began at human birth. If we are children of an infinite God, we are also infinite. This human experience is just a segment of our real existence. Human thought once perceived the world as flat because that was how it appeared. Human thought perceives life to exist between human birth and death because that is how it appears. Using our intellect we can imagine that life is far more than it appears to our human consciousness. Most of humanity is locked into the superstition that life is only what we can perceive and that misunderstanding is keeping humanity from making the progress that Jesus sacrificed for. Spirituality is not connected to the human condition. You do not become more spiritual by believing that Adam and Eva were the source of life. Adam and Eve were the source of the human illusion that we are separate from our spiritual Source which is God.

119 posted on 05/11/2005 7:17:03 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Semper
No, communication is just evidence of self-awareness.

Please try to think before making self-awareness your standard, when what you really mean is YOU believing something is self aware, which is completely different.

120 posted on 05/11/2005 7:24:31 PM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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