I took this as a personal threat, and whomever this person is, come and get me. I'm a peaceful man, but I reserve the right to go from gentleman to gangsta in 0.02 nanoseconds.
Posted on 05/09/2005 5:54:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz
I'm a believer.
There are civil issues. IMO there's no 1st amendment issue. The site is up. I've been using myself as an example only to not involve others who have a different opinion, this has impacted lots of people. I get to post here. I get to associate with you. Tresspass in the digital age, that's creative. IMO, it's a civil issue, though as I noted I do take the "kill the Jews" message addressed to me personally, and if there's a violation it's there. If I wrote a letter to the editor, and he posted that on a sign on my property, I think he'd be in jail, and not for tresspass. If the LA Times or NYT ran a similar forum, and this happened there, things might be different as well.
should be
I do take the "kill the Jews" message addressed to me personally lightly, and if there's a violation it's there
Given his early morning posting habits, he could be drinking ale in Ireland, beer in Berlin (he's in deep *hit if he's there and caught), or smoking hash at an internet cafe in Gaza.
Oh I didn't know we had a black conservative pinglist.
I went to the site another poster linked to of some of the pictures and being active in medical procedures the pictures came across differently in my perspective of things.
So the shock value was not there but I can imagine eating breakfest and opening that up for someone who has never been exposed to deep areas of the human anatomy.
Those who did these pics are not playing with a full deck to use the human body for non medical learning purposes and shock value only.
TubGirl is a cadaver who was rigged up for that lil show and shows no respect for a dead corpse and those responsible should be kicked out of the field.
Others infatuated with thier orfaces are demented and in the catagory of Dahmner if they can do those things to themselves and be in awe what are they willing to do to a stranger?
The baby pic was just stupid as it was taken from a medical journal site meant for teaching and case histories.
Definetly depraved.
However beheadings are in the same league when kept up on these shock sites.
Targeting Black FReepers is odd though.
I honestly would of thought our Conservative Christian threads would be targeted.
Lastly targeting Laz....or are other Jewish freepers being hit too.
Oh and lastly showing obese naked women is not shocking at all I see that every time I take a shower.
Really shows a low mentality and immaturity.
Dorks.
Good Luck on ridding this stupid low mentality crap out of here.
I need to do some homework on this, not your typical street stuff, but I was thinking along the lines of computer trespass laws but the catch is tracking down the offending party and letting them know they are not welcome. Without a court order an ISP would never reveal who is at a particular IP. But there would have to be a subsequent violation after being booted out. I think. I have a call into one of my pals who does computer kiddie porn investigations. He'll have some insight. I'm inclined to think there's some Federal statutes covering these types of matters.
Glad to know that I'm not crazy. I thought when I saw the pic that she must be dead, but figured nobody would do something quite that nasty. Of course, I was wrong, as I often am. Ewwww.
>>Thanks for your help Paul. I'm sorry we jump on you like that. I allmost did too. Trolls are a real problem here, as you have already seen.<<
Thank you. I really do understand. First, it's normal to challenge newcomers (you should see how my martial arts group does it). Second, you've got a real problem with trolls and and third I'm not a perfect match and didn't want to lie to pretend I was.
But it didn't follow me out of that thread and people gave me a fair chance elsewhere.
And I'm happy to share my experience with defending a site - long ago I ran the Free Speech BBS in Atlanta and now I deal with computer security so you've got my full sympathy - its tough to believe in free speech and also to protect yourself and your members.
let us consider FR to be the internet equivalent to a private club.
there is a Proprietor: Jim Robinson
there is a Property Manager: John Robinson
there is Staff: The Almighty Mods
there are Paying Members: those of us who contribute money during FReepathons and/or monthly, as well as have signed up with a distinct User Account
there are Members: those of us who have signed up with a distinct User Account, but do not contribute money
As with a real-world property, the Proprietor sets the rules of the Club. His Manager and Staff administer the rules and maintain the Club property. Paying Members fund the Club. All members make use of Club facilities under the established Club Rules - by which all of us have contractually agreed to abide.
One of those Club Rules is displayed each and every time any member goes through the process of posting a message on a thread:
"Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."
No member can claim to be ignorant of this part of the Club Rules.
One who violates these rules can be summarily ejected from the website, just as any Club Member can be tossed out of a real-world club for violating that club's terms of use/membership. This person's membership can be summarily revoked. This is a basic right of a Proprietor to defend the value and environment of his property.
If a banned member returns and repeats his offense, he is in the real-world guilty of criminal trespass. The internet scenario is an exact analogue. Trespass laws and penalties should apply.
This is not the end of it: The miscreant is also guilty of defacement of private property (vandalism) - since the grotesque posts remain on pinged recipient's "My Comments" pages, clearly they reside somewhere in the site code in some (at the moment) inextricable form. Removing them will require time and effort = money. These are Real Damages, and inflicting them is actionable.
Moreover, so long as these horrid posts remain ANYWHERE on the site's code, an opponent/detractor of FreeRepublic.com can in all literal fact claim that "those awful people at FR host virulent violence-mongering racist commentary." This renders FreeRepublic DEFAMED. Last I checked, this is also actionable.
So, why bow down in the House of Rimmon and make use of dangerous quasi-thoughtcrime laws, when one can penalize the asshat for what he has DONE?
I have pinged some concerned parties to this message, SJ, as well as one whom I hope has the IT savvy neede to help the Almighty Ones asshat-proof the site, and one whom I hope has the legal savvy to correct me where I err and/or expand along the line I have opened.
Thank you for your input. Is there a LEO pinglist or other LEOs I can contact?
We welcome all sorts here. Where else will you find a Buchananite and a Libertarian side by side? We all have one common enemy. Before any intraparty differences can be hashed out, we need to take care of the left.
Good call. Under that scenario, we could definitely sanction the b@$t@rd.
Have any of you been following this? Any input?
I took this as a personal threat, and whomever this person is, come and get me. I'm a peaceful man, but I reserve the right to go from gentleman to gangsta in 0.02 nanoseconds.
what's your opinion on #789?
Exactly.
I don't blame you. not at all.
dang!
I should have pung y'all to #789 when I posted it
RCW 9A.52.110
Computer trespass in the first degree.
(1) A person is guilty of computer trespass in the first degree if the person, without authorization, intentionally gains access to a computer system or electronic data base of another; and
(a) The access is made with the intent to commit another crime or
(b) The violation involves a computer or data base maintained by a government agency.
(2) Computer trespass in the first degree is a class C felony.
RCW 9A.52.120
Computer trespass in the second degree.
(1) A person is guilty of computer trespass in the second degree if the person, without authorization, intentionally gains access to a computer system or electronic data base of another under circumstances not constituting the offense in the first degree.
(2) Computer trespass in the second degree is a gross misdemeanor.
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