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Schiavos Don't Know Where Terri's Ashes Are (Schindlers Don't Know Where Terri's Ashes Are)
AP ^ | 05-07-05

Posted on 05/07/2005 7:03:09 AM PDT by veronica

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To: sawdust
"That is one hell of a thing to say about anyone, like them or not." I'm sure I've said that Saddam Hussein murdered thousands of people and had them buried in mass graves. That is a terrible thing to say about someone I've never met, and I am deeply, deeply, sorry.

That hyperbole needs more cowbell.

221 posted on 05/07/2005 9:27:05 AM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: sawdust

You have a point there. I never thought of the idea that he would simply keep control of the ashes in his home--one more way to control her, and, her family.

Demons do walk the earth. The piece-or-$#!T proved it.


222 posted on 05/07/2005 9:28:43 AM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: ShowMeMom

Everytime this subject comes up we start talking about mentally disabled people and handicapped people and that has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand. And then there's no rational debate that can occur.


223 posted on 05/07/2005 9:29:15 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy

We do not determine who lives or dies based on what they cost.

How very easy you progress to murder when you judge someone too expensive.

All other generations have managed to work though these situations. Why should the most advanced generation be the first to kill our weak?

I would suggest that we promote the medical industry to improve the lives of those given extended lives. Surely they will be able to bring about better "quality" if the emphasis is placed on that.


224 posted on 05/07/2005 9:33:33 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: Hildy
So, you're not only in charge of who deserves to live, but also what is "rational"?

Thank you for explaining that to me because I certainly missed the rationale in your previous posts.

225 posted on 05/07/2005 9:34:19 AM PDT by ShowMeMom
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To: weaponeer
Do you have a copy of the ruling? WHEN is he required to divulge the whereabouts of her remains? What does the order say about that?

I haven't seen a copy of the order, but its existence is reported by multiple sources.

A court order issued Tuesday gave Michael Schiavo the power to make these decisions, and also required him to notify her parents of memorial services and where the ashes will be interred.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2005/04/ ...

A fair inference of intent would be that her blood relatives be apprised sometime BEFORE the burial (where the ashes WILL BE interred), but even if the order reads as admitting apprisal after the burial, one would think the court expects timely communication.
226 posted on 05/07/2005 9:35:47 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Hildy

I will answer your question about who will pay.

The family and then Medicaid - just like they do on all other cases.

Answer me this. Who pays for prisoners? Who pays lifetime salaries for senators? Who pays for the perks of power in government? Who pays for the medical services and benefits given to illegals? Who pays for welfare? Who pays unemployment? Who pays for foreign aid? Who pays for charity?

I would suggest that you start economizing in these areas before you condone murder because of expense.


227 posted on 05/07/2005 9:37:05 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: unbalanced but fair

"Could any one who is praising Mark Fuhrman tell me why, if he had all this information, he didn't come forward with it while Terri was alive?"

Well if the Congress, Senate, President, Pope, Governor Jeb, Florida Senate, Judiciary, Pinellas Co. Police etc..had no effect in stopping this 'legalized murder' just what exactly could Mark Fuhrman do to stop it?


228 posted on 05/07/2005 9:40:34 AM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: tflabo

If he had evidence, that wouldn't have done anything? And why would it make any difference now? Why bother to publish a book if what he has to say wouldn't change anything? Unless it is to simply make money. No surprise there.


230 posted on 05/07/2005 9:44:33 AM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: hinckley buzzard

No, it was a horrible mess because it revealed that not everybody has a respect for the sanctity of life even though they are conservative.

It was an eye opener.

I never thought I would see the day when people justified killing the weak. It scared me. So, from that point of view, it was worth it. We now know what is out there and we are far closer to euthanasia as a society than I would have dreamed.

Learning how easily even "conservatives" can discount an American and deny them the right to life based on their health makes me realize we have to fight this battle now because we are already on that slippery slope caused by abortion.

Did you ever expect to live in a society that allows men to judge whether some in society should be killed off because of their health condition? And, that it would be the government doing it?

Who in their right mind would give this power to the government no matter the reason?


231 posted on 05/07/2005 9:46:28 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: unbalanced but fair
Unless it is to simply make money. No surprise there.

Gotta love it. Everyone's motives are impure. But yours, of course...

232 posted on 05/07/2005 9:46:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the...masters of...the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: joesbucks
There in lies the rub. It says his "plans for a memorial service". If he's not had one?

My read, which is indirect because it is only news reports, is that he can obey the court order and avoid communicating with the Schindlers by having no plan. He is required to report his plans (and I assume also that the court order expects his actions in the burial and services will comport with his plans). As long as he plans nothing, and just leaves her remains "wherever," he has not violated the court order.

233 posted on 05/07/2005 9:47:17 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: veronica

His lawsuit was attached to her lawsuit and it was valid and typical.


234 posted on 05/07/2005 9:47:45 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: ClancyJ

If the drunk was in a PVS state with no hope of recovery, yes. Your assumption that people just want to get rid of other people is breathtaking in it's pessimism about the human condition.


236 posted on 05/07/2005 9:50:09 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: EternalVigilance
Yep...you got it. I learned all about having truly pure motives from you. It was your example that has shown me the way. Thanks. You might look up the definition of unless though.LOL!
238 posted on 05/07/2005 9:52:00 AM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: hinckley buzzard

What could we have done? Nothing. It was investigated thoroughly before they moved in that direction.

But, we do as all grassroots people do, we voice our opinion.

I don't have any power to go to war, to make laws, to write news. The only power I have is my opinion same as millions of others.

Again, what could we have done to save Terri?


239 posted on 05/07/2005 9:52:31 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: Hildy
I'd like to know the percentage of people who sign option B. I'm sure a very, very mininscule percentage.

Very few. Option A is preferred because it permits withholding food from people with irreversible conditions that render them unable to decide for themselves, such as dementia (Altzheimers). I believe that food and water are life-support treatments, under your advance directive.

Some states have model forms where a person can direct being watered and fed, but not medicated or otherwise treated. Your form doesn't give that option.

240 posted on 05/07/2005 9:53:24 AM PDT by Cboldt
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