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Veterans' Web Sites Expose Pseudo Heroes, Phony Honors
Wall Street Journal ^ | 5-6-2005 | AMY CHOZICK

Posted on 05/06/2005 6:32:31 AM PDT by Cagey

From the minute FBI Special Agent Thomas A. Cottone Jr. saw Walter K. Carlson, he suspected that something wasn't quite right about the decorated war hero. The two men met at a Washington Township, N.J., funeral service for Marine Second Lt. John Thomas Wroblewski, 25 years old, killed in Iraq in last spring.

"Thousands of people were there, but when that captain walked past me wearing the Navy Cross and a chest full of medals and ribbons," Mr. Cottone says, "I whispered to my friend, something is wrong with that guy."

Mr. Cottone, whose duties at the Federal Bureau of Investigation include investigating military imposters, subsequently followed his hunch, determining, he says, that Mr. Carlson, 59 years old and a local bus dispatcher, didn't earn the medals he was wearing; in fact, Mr. Cottone says, Mr. Carlson never even served in the military. Mr. Carlson declined to comment.

It is illegal under federal law to wear an unauthorized military uniform or unearned decorations. Mr. Carlson was arrested, released on $10,000 bond and ordered to surrender all military materials. A trial was averted when he agreed to a pretrial probation program, says Mr. Cottone.

With patriotism at a high plateau of late, the U.S. military currently receives a level of respect not seen since World War II. Unlike the Vietnam War era, today even those who oppose the war in Iraq profess to be staunch supporters of the men and women who serve there. The heightened admiration has given way to a growing number of military impostors, and in turn sparked an impassioned group of crusaders determined to expose the mock heros who festoon themselves with unearned medals.

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Fake Navy Seals pins, patches, medals and sweatshirts are sold in stores.
1 posted on 05/06/2005 6:32:31 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: Cagey
I love the 300:1 fake SEAL to real SEAL ratio.

i wonder how many Americans have successfully completed BUD/S training since the inception of the program?

2 posted on 05/06/2005 6:34:25 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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POWnetwork.org, HomeOfHeroes.com, AuthentiSEAL.org and VeriSEAL.org, among other Web sites, provide concerned citizens with a free investigation into a person's military status.
3 posted on 05/06/2005 6:34:40 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

Ping.


4 posted on 05/06/2005 6:35:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cagey

I can't help but wonder how many of the fake Navy Seals pins, patches, medals and sweatshirts end up proudly displayed at anti war marches.


5 posted on 05/06/2005 6:37:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: wideawake

Every time I see a person with a bumper sticker that says something like "Veterans against Bush" I'm tempted to ask them what unit they served with. I'm willing to wager far more than half have never spend a day in uniform.


6 posted on 05/06/2005 6:37:16 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: cripplecreek

You're freaking me out, CC. That's twice in two days now.


7 posted on 05/06/2005 6:38:33 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: Cagey

I think that means Veteran Liberal against Bush..Or a Veteran at protesting...something silly like that...


8 posted on 05/06/2005 6:39:53 AM PDT by Skeeve14 (De Opresso Liber)
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To: Cagey

Bikers are notorious for this. You see them get in arguments over it all the time. Some of these guys would have been 12 while in Nam.


9 posted on 05/06/2005 6:41:57 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (Democrat or Communist? Is there a difference?)
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To: Cagey
"Every time I see a person with a bumper sticker that says something like "Veterans against Bush" I'm tempted to ask them what unit they served with. I'm willing to wager far more than half have never spend a day in uniform."

I think you are misreading that sticker. It believe it says "Vegetarians against Bush".

11 posted on 05/06/2005 6:43:19 AM PDT by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: Cagey
I'll bet you're right.

I'm not a veteran myself, so I'd hate to confront a guy and find out that he actually was a legit vet, but I suspect taht even the half or less who are actual vets are guys who didn't serve in a forward area.

12 posted on 05/06/2005 6:43:32 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Cagey
The president of a local college, a flaming liberal, has on his resume two years Navy service as a Lt. in the early 1970s. He claims to have been a diver, though not a SEAL. He didn't serve in Vietnam. I'm wondering if there's any way I can find out whether his discharge was other than honorable or his claims are the least bit truthful. Given his current behavior (cracks under the least bit of pressure, can't make a decision, utterly dishonest in other matters), I can't see this guy in Little League, let alone as a naval officer.

Would the sites you mentioned help me in this investigation?

13 posted on 05/06/2005 6:43:41 AM PDT by mountaineer
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...."Veterans against Bush" I'm tempted to ask them what unit they served with....

No kidding.
14 posted on 05/06/2005 6:43:48 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: Ron in Acreage

You're right. Some of the dummy wannabes don't realize that the minimum age for a Vietnam vet today is about 47-48 years old.


15 posted on 05/06/2005 6:45:35 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Baynative
I just can't figure out what kind of thinking separates the two and doesn't understand why we must have warriors.

I hate the painting but I love the painter!

I hate the meal but I love the cook!

16 posted on 05/06/2005 6:46:06 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: mountaineer
Would the sites you mentioned help me in this investigation?

The sites I show in post #3 are from the article and I suspect one or more may help you if you investigate. Good luck if you do.

17 posted on 05/06/2005 6:48:30 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: mountaineer

He would have had to through Dive School.


18 posted on 05/06/2005 6:51:16 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: mountaineer

He would have had to through Dive School.


19 posted on 05/06/2005 6:51:17 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: ladtx
Yup.

In fact, the youngest volunteer who could possibly have served in Vietnam would have turned 47 last week.

Saigon fell to the almost exactly Communists 30 years ago - April 30/May 1 1975.

An imaginary volunteer who theoretically signed up on his 17th birthday on April 30th and was magically deployed to South Vietnam the same day would have been 47 last week.

20 posted on 05/06/2005 6:52:50 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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