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To: familyop
>At airforcehistory.hq.af.mil you'll find that Dresden >contained well over 100 significant military targets. >Civilian losses were mostly due to the fires that spread, >and we did not have "smart bombs" in those days.
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This is garbage. Criminality depends upon intention, not on action. Dresden was a war crime because civilians were targeted via the Allied fire-storm policy. This is documented. Aiming at industrial targets or transportation hubs is intention to destroy industrial targets or transportations hubs. Not a war crime. Aiming at civilians is. The warload carried by the bombers bears this out. No-one aimed at the military targets in Dresden.

By your reasoning Ward-Churchill is correct. There -were- military assets, people in uniform, etc, in the WTC and therefore it was a military target and therefore all the civilians who died were merely collateral damage. And that's because of a two-men-and-dog CIA office and a couple of uniforms.

In fact, regardless of any evidense of stated intent found in paperwork, anyone crashing fully fueled airliners into the WTC knows what will happen as a result of their actions and therefore their intent is evident. Thus their criminality is established. It is the same for Bomber Harris and his supporters.

AQ will not be able to rely on a defense that their documentation stated their intent to destroy a military target within the WTC, within the USA, with which they were at declared (holy) war.

Ward-Churchill's further assertion, that they were "all little Eichmanns beavering away" and therefore targets, is just plain Marxist "the enemy of the proletariat must receive social-justice" and therefore we must kill Czarist-reactionarys and counter-revolutionary Imperialist sympathizers. Anyone involved in capitalism is therefore a lawful target ie he wants "Spanish Civil War Rules". I hope he gets what he wishes for.

If you are right, so is Ward-Churchill. If Ward-Churchill is wrong so are you.

>The propaganda about Dresden being an intentional civilian >target was disseminated from neo-Nazi sites about a decade >ago, and that propaganda effort continues.
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More garbage. Many people pointed out that Dresden was a war-crime the day after it was bombed. Including Winston Churchill in his famous memo. The arguments raged and raged and both Harris and Bomber Command were ignored when it came to handing out honors. Just because you only heard about ten years ago does not mean it started ten years ago.
57 posted on 05/06/2005 6:04:02 AM PDT by PzGr43
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To: PzGr43; A Jovial Cad; Alia
PzGr43 wrote:
"Criminality depends upon intention, not on action. Dresden was a war crime because civilians were targeted via the Allied fire-storm policy. This is documented . . . By your reasoning Ward-Churchill is correct."

...such lie documented only by neo-Nazis and the ignorant. Show us where it is alleged that the USA intended to inflict the Dresden bombing against civilians and not against military production and transportation. As for Ward Churchill, he projects his neo-Nazism upon those he hates, just as all Nazis do. He's a neo-Nazi who calls his opponents Nazis. It's common knowledge that Nazis share more with the contemporary left in their hysterical hatred against Israel than with any other group.

Why can't you get over the defeat of your Nazi despots of the past? Nazism is weak. Just let it go.

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A nervous affection, occurring almost exclusively in women, in which the emotional and reflex excitability is exaggerated, and the will power correspondingly diminished, so that the patient loses control over the emotions, becomes the victim of imaginary sensations, and often falls into paroxism or fits. [1913 Webster]

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69 posted on 05/06/2005 11:45:37 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Roman.)
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To: PzGr43
The only bad thing that came out of Dresden is that it wasn't REPEATED in Berlin, Munich, Stuttgart, Hamburg, etc.

Its amazing how much we have wussed out over the years in the name of "human rights." Its not our fault that the German people chose the wrong side.

78 posted on 05/07/2005 2:38:40 AM PDT by Clemenza (I am NOT A NUMBER, I am a FREE MAN!!!)
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