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Priest calls prize-winning judge 'murderer'(George Greer Alert!)
World Net Daily ^ | mAY 5, 2005

Posted on 05/05/2005 5:51:50 AM PDT by NYer

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To: txrangerette

I think the last part of your statement is correct (class of people vs individual). For whatever reason, the Court was comfortable letting the lower courts' opinions stand. And remember, the federal appealate court had 2 REPUBLICAN appointees that found in favor with Greer's decisions and a democrat who dissented. Interesting.


41 posted on 05/05/2005 7:04:35 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: trebb
A judge uses his power to order a young woman killed

The police carry out that order as well as those medical
staff involved.

All of these professionals have a code of conduct and a code
of ethics that demand they protect and or sustain ALL human life (unless of course the human is harming or threatening to harm others or has been adjudicated in a court of law to be a criminal)

If this judge is a murderer, he sure had plenty of accomplices..

The Nazi war crimes tribunals indicated that 'just following orders' is not a defense...


imo
42 posted on 05/05/2005 7:07:40 AM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: Tulane
No, they didn't pass the buck. Most judges, believe it or not, want to follow the law.

This is happening all of the time now and has been building over the years. Yes, there are good judges and for the most part you don't hear about them. But the bad judges, legislating from the bench, letting molesters, rapists, and murders free are the ones that are directly affecting the public. These are the judges that need to be reigned in and Congress has the power, maybe not the will, to do so.

How many times have we heard Legislatures in various states and the Congress pass laws again and again only to have them shot down or interpreted by some rogue judge or court in a perverse way (9th Circuit a huge culprit)?

Yes, there is a big problem with Judges in this country and I am sorry if I offend your Judicial friends, you being a lawyer and all.

43 posted on 05/05/2005 7:07:57 AM PDT by frogjerk
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To: Tulane; All
With all due repect to the Father, this Judge, along with every other court this case came before, decided the case based on THE LAW




Before he applied the LAW, he first had to be finder of FACT. His factual findings were suspect and clearly erroneous; viz. that the husband's testimony was credible as to Terri wishing not to live under the conditions; and his failure to credit the parents and nurses testimony that held the opposite.

Now, one may disagree as to these factual determinations. But, that notwithstanding, those who believe as Parone that Greer killed Terri, are not predicating their argument as to the application of Law, but his finding of subordinate fact.
44 posted on 05/05/2005 7:08:16 AM PDT by sirthomasthemore (I go to my execution as the King's humble servant, but God's first!)
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To: joesnuffy
The Nazi war crimes tribunals indicated that 'just following orders' is not a defense...

imo

Ping!

45 posted on 05/05/2005 7:09:53 AM PDT by frogjerk
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To: frogjerk

But that is my point exactly---the trouble with some judges is that they do not follow the will of the legislature...this one did...with respect to the law passed on her behalf, I admit up front, I am not sure on what basis the court found it problematic...but Greer wasn't the only one, a court with 2 republican appointees found no error.

The ninth circuit is a travesty...I am not offended at all by what you write about them!


46 posted on 05/05/2005 7:11:30 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: NYer
...and those ordered to carry out such decisions are morally obliged to resist them by conscientious objection...

And THIS is why Jeb Bush and George Bush, and the sheriff and all the cops who guarded the killing hospice, are murderers, also. They obeyed the orders of Judge Greer that Terri was to be murdered.

Having obeyed similar orders from the Supreme Court for 32 years, all these people long ago lost the integrity that would have enabled them to resist Judge Greer's commands to participate in murder.

If Jeb Bush was convinced that disobeying Judge Greer was tantamount to revolution, then he was obligated to resign from the governorship. As it is, he has to live with the choice he made: He chose to participate in a murder, in order to remain Governor of Florida. All the cops made the same choice, in order to keep their jobs.

47 posted on 05/05/2005 7:12:26 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: sirthomasthemore

In that case, then, I agree with you. And good point.


48 posted on 05/05/2005 7:12:45 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Arthur McGowan

Come on. You really want to blame the cops? Jeb Bush? If Schiavo had a written will stating no feeding tube, would that make the cops murderers, assuming the parents wanted to stop or enjoin the hospice from removing the tube?


49 posted on 05/05/2005 7:14:41 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Tulane

Hellooooooo

Where have you been?

You are knocking your head against a brick wall right now. We have been informed that at least on this topic facts don't matter. My advice is move on, these threads aren't for normal discussion (as you will soon find out).


50 posted on 05/05/2005 7:18:22 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: redgolum

We need more priests like Fr. Pavone and fewer Bishops like Lynch who left the country while the execution was being conducted so that he wouldn't have to make any public comments about it.


51 posted on 05/05/2005 7:19:00 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Tulane

Can of worms...opened.


52 posted on 05/05/2005 7:20:34 AM PDT by I'm ALL Right!
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To: cyncooper

I think you might be on to something!

I wasn't on the board while most of the hoopla was going on...it is definitely an emotional issue.


53 posted on 05/05/2005 7:21:04 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Tulane

It is true that THE LAW in Florida, signed by Jeb Bush in 1999, defines a feeding tube as "life support." But that is ONLY element of the THE LAW that could be said to have forced Judge Greer in the direction of ordering Terri's killing.

He systematically excluded and/or ignored all evidence that would have weakened Michael Schiavo's FACTUAL claims. It was Greer's corrupt findings of "fact" that doomed Terri, not THE LAW alone.


54 posted on 05/05/2005 7:22:07 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Tulane
Every court (save the Supreme Court, which declined on multiple occasions to review the case) found in favor of the husband.

That's because appellate courts never review the original FINDINGS OF FACT. Greer's findings of fact were never reviewed by all those appellate courts, and thus it is bogus and propagandistic to refer to "all those judges who supported Greer's decisions." Greer's findings of "fact" were corrupt, because he is a euthanasia enthusiast, in cahoots from the get-go with Felos, Schiavo, the killing-hospice directors, etc.

55 posted on 05/05/2005 7:25:55 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Tulane

Yes, Republicans can be murderers, too. E.g., Harry Blackmun, Sandra Day O'Connor, Anthony Kennedy, etc.


56 posted on 05/05/2005 7:27:58 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Tulane
Natural law, whatever that may be, does not take precedence over Florida Law. That is law school 101, my friend.

You've hit the nail on the head. And that's what's wrong with Law School 101. Law School 101 now teaches that the DEFENDANTS at Nuremburg were correct: I was only following the Law, so you have no business putting me on trial.

57 posted on 05/05/2005 7:31:50 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Tulane

Which law is it that says you can kill people by stopping their food and water?


58 posted on 05/05/2005 7:48:33 AM PDT by It's me
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To: joesnuffy

No argument there


59 posted on 05/05/2005 7:56:24 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Tulane

In that case, then, I agree with you. And good point.



Tulane, as you can see, this is an issue that evokes strong emotion. But, most Freepers, I believe, agree with your overriding assertion of the supremacy of Law over judicial activism. Respectfully, that merely wasn't the issue in Terri's case.

But, you continue to speak your mind, and don't back off when you feel you're right. So long as you remain on the side of the primacy of Law, Sir Thomas More would always have your back. Not a bad man to have on your side. :)


60 posted on 05/05/2005 7:56:34 AM PDT by sirthomasthemore (I go to my execution as the King's humble servant, but God's first!)
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