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New arena for birth-control battle
Star Tribune ^ | May 3, 2005 | Rene Sanchez

Posted on 05/03/2005 5:33:17 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

Rebecca Polzin walked into a drugstore in Glencoe, Minn., last month to fill a prescription for birth control. A routine request. Or so she thought.

Minutes later, Polzin left furious and empty-handed. She said the pharmacist on duty refused to help her. "She kept repeating the same line: 'I won't fill it for moral reasons,' " Polzin said.

Earlier this year, Adriane Gilbert called a pharmacy in Richfield to ask if her birth-control prescription was ready. She said the person who answered told her to go elsewhere because he was opposed to contraception. "I was shocked," Gilbert said. "I had no idea what to do."

The two women have become part of an emotional debate emerging across the country: Should a pharmacist's moral views trump a woman's reproductive rights?

No one knows how many pharmacists in Minnesota or nationwide are declining to fill contraceptive prescriptions. But both sides in the debate say they are hearing more reports of such incidents -- and they predict that conflicts at drugstore counters are bound to increase.

"Five years ago, we didn't have evidence of this, and we would have been dumbfounded to see it," said Sarah Stoesz, president of Planned Parenthood of Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota. "We're not dumbfounded now. We're very concerned about what's happening."

But M. Casey Mattox of the Center for Law and Religious Freedom said it is far more disturbing to see pharmacists under fire for their religious beliefs than it is to have women inconvenienced by taking their prescription to another drugstore. He also said that laws have long shielded doctors opposed to abortion from having to take part in the procedure.

"The principle here is precisely the same," Mattox said.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: conscienceclause; pharmacy
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To: FreepinforTerri
The birth control pill is a recretional drug- used to have recreational sex.

Cool. I never knew that. I always needed to get out more and have more recreation.

581 posted on 05/06/2005 9:40:36 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (If God wanted us to bend over he'd put diamonds on the floor.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Contraceptive Sex - It's really no more sinful than bulimia!

Bullimia is a mortal sin. People who practice binging and purging without repentance will face damnation.

Is that clear?

582 posted on 05/06/2005 9:41:48 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Cool. I never knew that. I always needed to get out more and have more recreation.

FR is such an educational forum. I never knew that birth control pills were recreational drugs! Groovy!

583 posted on 05/06/2005 9:42:41 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: FreepinforTerri
Upwards of 80% of abortions are performed on women using contraceptives regularly.


584 posted on 05/06/2005 9:43:54 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (If God wanted us to bend over he'd put diamonds on the floor.)
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To: Modernman
(Rolls eyes) Right. Better contraceptives will lead to a fascist state right out of "Brave New World."

Hmm ... lets see. From all this contraceptive and abortion research we've also branched out into in vitro fertilization and cloning. Now we have people insisting employers cover birth control, that pharmacists dispense related medications without question, that doctors must perform abortions and other procedures against their morals, and (soon) in vitro fertilization in insurance plans.

It appears we are moving along on schedule.

585 posted on 05/06/2005 9:45:06 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: MonaMars

Why would a Christian go to a Muslim doctor?


586 posted on 05/06/2005 9:45:53 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: pa mom
If you want me to, I'll say I like to kill babies.

Prayers for your conversion and growth in faith sister.

587 posted on 05/06/2005 9:47:33 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Bullimia is a mortal sin. People who practice binging and purging without repentance will face damnation.

Is that clear?

Why don't you pray on that, Hermann - pray that it becomes clear to me. If you're right and God responds favorably to your prayers, it might be clear to me by sundown.

I'll report back to you later. ;-)

588 posted on 05/06/2005 9:49:07 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Quick1; FreepinforTerri
How is it abortive when there is no chance of fertilization? How about a woman who is abstaining from sex who takes the pill?

Any use of the Pill is cooperation in the evil of providing the Pill to society at large. A consistent person would not wish to entangle themselves with a device whoe normal use they oppose. You might not be aborting anyone yourself, but by helping make the use of the pill very widespread and acceptable, you indirectly are.

589 posted on 05/06/2005 9:49:55 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: ihv2bme; FreepinforTerri; Modernman
There are probably less pregnancy with women on birth control than if they didn't take them at all!

Three of my sister-in-law's four children were conceived while she was "on the pill" to "regulate menstruation". She didn't fail in using it, it failed her.

590 posted on 05/06/2005 9:51:56 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Thanks.


591 posted on 05/06/2005 9:53:38 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Modernman; FreepinforTerri
Other than strippers, I've only known one or two real-life whores.

"To whore" is to corrupt by lewd intercourse.

"A whore" is someone who has unlawful sex.

The law and morality (lewdness) referred to there in common useage in the Anglosphere is that of classical Christianity. That would then include by common understanding of Christian sexual morality the specific sins of fornication, adultery, incest, prostitution, sodomy, rape (by the rapist), and unnatural intercourse (i.e. using birth control). See the classic explanation in any number of theological manuals such as the Summa of St. Thomas.

Surely you know more than a couple of people who could fit into that definition. Or do you wish to go about redefining words on us because they make you uncomfortable?

592 posted on 05/06/2005 10:00:27 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: pa mom
I am okay with early abortions. Would be better if they don't happen, sure. If you want me to, I'll say I like to kill babies. I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU. Sorry.

I want you to be honest. I've avoided putting words into your mouth, giving you ample opportunity to explain just what it is you believe and why.

I am led to surmise not that you "like to kill babies" but that you value the utility and convenience of birth control pills more than you value life at its earliest stages.

Is that a fair statement?

SD

593 posted on 05/06/2005 10:04:23 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: FreepinforTerri

If you continue with untreated endometriosis you may not have any fertility anyway. 30 percent of infertility in women is caused by endometriosis.

But, hey, that's your problem, not mine.


594 posted on 05/06/2005 10:06:30 AM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: SoothingDave

No, it's just killing babies. /sarc


595 posted on 05/06/2005 10:07:16 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
by helping make the use of the pill very widespread...

Perhaps we should boycott the manufacturers? There's McNeil, of course they also make Tylemol, Motrin, Floxin, etc. And there's Wyeth who makes Premarin. But then they also make Advil, Centrum, and Chapstick, etc. So every time someone purchases one of these products they are supporting the manufacturer of the Pill and other birth control devices. After all, why would you support someone who makes birth control pills? You don't, do you?

596 posted on 05/06/2005 10:12:21 AM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: pa mom
I shan't continue. If you don't wish to examine your beliefs or explain them, I can't force you. I just hope you one day come to reflect upon your positions and ask yourself if they are consistent with any type of philosophy.

SD

597 posted on 05/06/2005 10:14:28 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: pa mom

I see you're riling up the constituents. LOL!


598 posted on 05/06/2005 10:17:34 AM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: unbalanced but fair
You do understand about markets, don't you? That if there is no demand there will be no supply. And all that.

A Coca Cola company may be able, for a time, to use its regular Coke profits to shore up a failing market in, say, Surge. But if there is no public outcry for more Surge, it will stop being made.

So refusing to buy Surge or participate in Surge-buying activity sends the message that Surge is not a desired product. While buying Surge sends the message that Surge is desired and allows others to access it.

SD

599 posted on 05/06/2005 10:23:08 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Quick1

The PURPOSE of the pill is to abortive. If it doesn't obtain its purpose, it's still an abortive.

That's like saying the abortion pill is not an abortion pill until is aborts. Until then it's just 'a pill'. It has a purpose, sold for that purpose and the money gained from it goes to line the pockets of those support this purpose.


600 posted on 05/06/2005 10:28:29 AM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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