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To: Judica me

The Pope, Vicar of Christ and successor of Peter, personally signs off on the formulation of the Mass and all its contents/translations.

Feel free to deny his authority on the matter.


306 posted on 05/03/2005 8:13:06 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
The Pope, Vicar of Christ and successor of Peter, personally signs off on the formulation of the Mass and all its contents/translations.

Exactly. That is why I hold him responsible for bungling the translation of the Bible.

311 posted on 05/03/2005 8:17:04 AM PDT by Judica me
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To: ninenot
The Pope, Vicar of Christ and successor of Peter, personally signs off on the formulation of the Mass and all its contents/translations.

Are you sure that Paul VI "personally signed off" on this translation, rather than this being something done in his name? Besides contradicting the Bible, it also contradicts the official [Latin] version of the new Mass. The Catholic Church has spoken clearly about whether our Lord's words can be rendered as "for all". In the Roman catechism, it says:

When He added, And for many, He wished to be understood to mean the remainder of the elect from among the Jews and Gentiles.

With reason, therefore, were the words for all not used, as in this place the fruits of the Passion are alone spoken of, and to the elect only did His Passion bring the fruit of salvation. And this is the purport of the Apostle when he says: Christ was offered once to exhaust the sins of many; and also of the words of our Lord in John: I pray for them; I pray not for the world, but for them whom thou hast given me, because they are thine.

Even if Paul VI personally approved the English translation of the Mass, which I earnestly hope he did not, it seems to me that the official version of the Mass, which is for the whole church, is more to be trusted than the English translation, which is for a particular group, English speakers, when there is a conflict.

429 posted on 05/05/2005 12:05:17 PM PDT by Catholic and Conservative
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