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To: Judica me; ninenot
Ummmm, Catholics believe in plenary indulgences. Do you suppose that somewhere out there among 1.1 billion Catholics, at least one has obtained a plenary indulgence and asked that it be applied to John Paul the Great? I do.

In fact, there were probably so many of those indulgences obtained by Catholics and applied by God that JP the Great led an unprecedented army of souls from the Church suffering to the Church Triumphant (assuming, of course, that JP the Great made Purgatory and did not make Heaven instantaneously). With him or without him, that army of Purgatorians is now in Heaven.

As to your #272, you needn't lose any sleep over any concern that I may be a sissy. Also, I will check but I probably was not being defensive. I usually strive to and succeed at being offensive. The best defense is usually a good offense. If I was being defensive, I will reply further on that subject. If not, I will not.

Finally, if you are worked up over the mistranslation of pro multis as for all instead of for many, this is no big deal. When Jesus Christ gave His life in atonement for our sins, he did not have a specific list of those who could be saved and another of those who could not. We are not Calvinists. He shed His Blood for all mankind, knowing that some would accept and others would reject (each group exercising individual free will) the benefit of that sacrifice. Thus He shed His Blood for the many who would accept salvation but they would be self-selected as would be those who would reject salvation. ALL were eligible. MANY accepted salvation and will accept salvation. If you want to resist ICEL, how about the translation of the first word of the Creed (Credo) as WE believe (which would be Credimus) rather than I believe? As most of us repeatedly demonstrate at FR, I can tell God what I believe but I may be a bit challenged to assure Him of what others believe.

294 posted on 05/03/2005 7:58:07 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
Finally, if you are worked up over the mistranslation of pro multis as for all instead of for many, this is no big deal.

No big deal to deliberately misquote Christ?

303 posted on 05/03/2005 8:10:19 AM PDT by Judica me
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