Posted on 05/01/2005 11:11:35 AM PDT by cyborg
I attend a running/walking club in Central Park every week. I just listened to a show by the club leader denouncing my christian faith as uncompassionate/not full of love. Not only is he agreeing with his guest, but adding on things like not having condoms in Africa is putting people at risk,etc. I wrote him a letter expressing my dismay about his beliefs in things like liberation theology,etc. and that won't be buying anything at his store/participating in his walking club.
His guest is Matthew Fox who was excommunicated.
Couldn't help myself *lol*
Sure I will....non-consensual violence is something like murder, rape, assault..consensual violence..i think of kinky practices..such as S&M..or even that case with the German cannibal..not to mention violent sports.
"Moral relativists in the religious left are not capable of writing a Constitution that only exists in order to guard and protect absolute moral (self-evident) truths. That leaves you and your emotionally unstable friends out, ace."
Emotionally unstable...hmm...and yet your ilk is so frightened and insecure about the fact that some people have different realities from you. Basically, my idea is that government would only intervene on matters concerning non-consensual violence, fraud, and theft...and as the times evolve...our government would merely become more of a debating society discussing how those things are defined. Perhaps moral relativism is okay only the individual and consensual act front as people have different ways of looking at happiness.
To finish it..I will cite a prior post pointing out a fallacious argument often used by the religious right...
Are there decrees in holy books that decry (non-consensual violence, fraud, theft)? Of course! Does that fact justify to enforcement of other "moral" laws. Of course not!
Yes...there were some good ideas for government in the Bible and other assorted Holy books...but we need to trim to fat as face it...Jesus is not one size fits all...
Matthew 10:14
No pun intended
thanks! :-)
This afternoon on KFI in LA Dr Dean Edell (sp?) was talking about atrocities of the 20th century and hinting that millions of people killed in WWII or in the Chinese revolution was similar to the US not being willing to pay for abortions or condoms in Africa. He said we would each have to decide for ourselves whether it was an atrocity or not!
That's the mentality of the left! omg
Consensual violence=masochism=mental illness?
You still have not answered WHY? Seems like you have no answer, other than you don't like Christians. Sad, I expected at least a cohesive response to back up your unsupported premises.
What about "common good". What if we need to create a highway? How would you propose we do that?
Jesus did. He condensed 600+ plus laws down to two.
Yes Fred, that's what this is about.
What has happened is leftwingrightwingbrokenwing hi-jacked cyborg's thread...and I went for it.
Sorry Fred, shame on me.
Oh well leftwing provided some good distraction as most thread disrupting newbies usually do.
What happened to Terri should have never happened.
"Consensual violence=masochism=mental illness?"
I sense more fear of different methods of happiness. In the world of psychiatry...pathology is social construct...and even that world needs a tiny bit of reform...but anyway that was a cheap shot just to satisfy your fears of world where someone would enjoy something you consider abhorrent...are you wrong for feeling that way? No. However mentioning mental illness gives me the impression that you want these people to be locked up..and that is just selfish.
"You still have not answered WHY? Seems like you have no answer, other than you don't like Christians. Sad, I expected at least a cohesive response to back up your unsupported premises."
Your premises are unsupported as well...basically you are taking somebody's word for it that this is the right way and there is no other right way. That is fine for your to believe that...but please don't put it in legislation. Those are your personal beliefs..you are free to share them...but not free to make them law! It's not that I don't like Christians...but rather that I don't like it when Christians (or any other religious faction) try to make their personal beliefs law!
Anyway about the Religious left and right thing..I believe I was answering to this quote, "In fact, the Christian and Judeo religions are founded on the concept that maximum freedom comes from having certain minimal laws."
In terms of social issues...I usually see the left as socially libertarian..and the right as socially authoritarian...that sounds more like a socially libertarian argument taken from Judeo-Christianic religions. Hence, my statement.
"What about "common good". What if we need to create a highway? How would you propose we do that?"
I knew you are going to address that...anyway I will give you the anti-federalist answer...the nation will only pay for national roads...the state will only pay for state roads..and the county will only pay for county roads..that and also in terms of air and water quality (noted I did not say global warming) some national standards will be need to be made as we do have a responsiblity with our massive intellect to watch over the earth. As for land preservation and keeping species alive..privatization is the way to go.
"Jesus did. He condensed 600+ plus laws down to two."
Condensing is not the same as cutting the fat....and there would be a whole different debate about what got condensed where and what got left out. I could pull out some bible verses which no American Christian in their right mind would support being law..but that would be an unnecessary cheap shot.
If one were to kill all the infidels...they would be alone on this planet.
"Well, what about the self-styled Christians who condoned the forcible dehydration and starvation of Terri Schindler? Definitely not compassionate nor loving."
Are you referring to 'WPPFF' posters on this forum?
What a strange journey that has been.
No need to say sorry, just get out of there!
If you mean socially libertarian as in "live and let live", you ought to take a look at the last couple weeks' worth of DUmmie FUnnies. Those DUmmies want to kill everyone on the right. They seem to constantly fantasize about shooting people.
Anyway....I just wanted to end this thread..respond to it as you like.
Cyborg, I am sorry that person hurt your feelings..but hey this is a free nation and he has the right to make such remarks...where I raised an eyebrow is that why should Christians as a group complain about persecution when some Christians persecute non-Christians. Many people, including Christians themselves, get jaded by the religion when they try to include personal conduct and perceived moral standards in the law whereas a populous can decided for itself without legislation what is acceptable and what is not. Government is powerless when the people refuse to recognize it.
I do like your tag MichiganConservative...
Anyway this debate shouldn't have been on this thread..and i apologize...but I did enjoy the debate itself.
I'm lucky hurt feelings is all I have to deal with. There are other people who suffer real persecution like Sudanese people and Chinese priests (not the phoney state church priests). He may have a right to make dumbassed slanderous statement BUT I have a right to respond in kind which I did.
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