[ican'tbelieveit]

Amen. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Might as well just give up raising our kids and turn them over to the government. That is what they want, afterall.

[melbell]

"Might as well just give up raising our kids and turn them over to the government."

A friend of Mr. Melbell's got in trouble for taking the phone out of his daughter's room because he was trying to punish her for stealing. He was COURT ORDERED to put the phone in back into her room. Then he got in trouble again for spanking her. So this time he just let them take her away...figuring he was "damned if he did, damned if he didn't." At the end of the month he got the bill for her care...after that he gave up and just let her do whatever she wanted, he couldn't win either way. I think eventually he was able to push her off on her mother...then he moved out of California to a less stupid place...