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robertpaulsen wrote:

So both of you are saying that the laws are violating the U.S. Constitution. All these laws, all the cities and states, are all in violation of the the second amendment of the U.S. Constitution and nobody has lifted a finger to do anything about it?

Lots of people have been fighting these infringements since day one. -- Many more, like you, support the gun grabbers.

That makes sense to you? That's your claim? I don't suppose you can back this up?

The 2nd is part of the "Law of the Land", as specified in Article VI. Thats my 'backup' you refuse to face.

You know I can back up my claim. What does that tell you?

Your refusal to acknowledge the clear words of Art. VI tells me you have no real backup.

Tells me I'm right and you two are whack jobs.

Personal asides are always another of your amusing 'backups' when your argument fails.

"Lots of people have been fighting these infringements since day one."

Oh yah, lots and lots. Why every day there's a lawsuit against a city or government, people demanding their second amendment rights. You can't open a newspaper, magazine, surf the web, watch TV, or listen to the radio without hearing about at least a dozen new lawsuits at all levels in our legal system.

Right now, there's how many second amendment cases at the USSC? None, you say? Well then, at the federal appellate court level? Again none, you say? In any federal court, anywhere in the country? None?

Well, what's the largest second amendment case going on right now at any of the state supreme courts? Any one. Pick one and we'll discuss it.

Yeah they're fighting them. At their keyboards, like you, telling everyone not to worry, the second amendment will protect them.

Isn't Sarah marching today? Shouldn't you be there with her?

"as specified in Article VI. Thats my 'backup' you refuse to face."

Then you're in trouble. The U.S. Constituion is a contract between the states and the federal government. Article VI simply acknowleges that fact by saying that it will be the law of the land, binding each party to their respective duties and responsibilities. The second amendment is only binding on the federal government. Article VI reaffirms that fact, not changes it.

So both of you are saying that the laws are violating the U.S. Constitution

That is exactly what I am saying. To believe anything else is fantasy. The only way you lose your 2nd amendment rights

is pure stupidity.

How else would you explain it? The 2nd Amendment has no ifs, ands, or buts. How did you let your politicians convince you otherwise?

Seems to me you are defending a lost cause. Weren't you the one who asked about conceal carry? Do you think you lost that right because of the federal government, or do you think perhaps it was because of your local scum-suckers? You lost your rights because you were complacent. Had you thrown a fit and had any organization at all, chances are you would still have the right. There have been countless challenges to the 2nd amendment. Take a look at how many have won and how many have lost. The win column far outweighs the lost.

Look, no matter what your argument is, the fact will always boil down to the fact you and your constituents let this happen. If that were not the case, how do you explain other states having the privilege?

By your argument, why do we have the privilege and you don't? There is only one explanation. We haven't relinquished our rights, and you have. I believe, if you would actually grow some balls and challenge this, you could regain it. Seems to me it is up to you.

Tells me I'm right and you two are whack jobs.

What the hell does this mean? If this country relied on idiots like this the Brits would still have control.

This guy just refuses to believe it is his own fault he has lost his rights.

Typical!

Society today is a society of victims isn't it? Can't be his fault can it?