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To: Gondring
I think you probably like to spar intellectually more than I do:

"But God kills."

God is the only one with authority to give and sanction the removal of life (I think the Angels carry out the task). He is Just and remains Just in whatever He does and Commands. We may question, yet we may never understand His ways and why He permits suffering and why He removes life or preserves life.


"That doesn't mean "unnatural"...the instinct to teach hunting/killing is there. Hmmm..what does THAT say?"

Creation is in chaos (at war) because of original sin.


"Then why is the standard response to massacres of the Old Testament: "That was then, but those commands don't apply now that Jesus has come."

Jesus said that Jews needed Mosaic Law because they were a hard headed people and thus a kick in the pants was warranted. A Jew told me that those Israelites escaping Egypt had "no spirit" and needed to regain that spirit before entering the promise land. The Old Testament's Prophets of the Lord are not the Lord. Jesus is Lord.




"What about His actions in the temple with the moneychangers? Words weren't enough, huh? Of course, He also told the apostles to buy swords."

Jesus probably believes in spanking disobedient children when "time-out" doesn't work (or 40 years in the desert). It took time before the Apostles eyes were opened. They followed Him initially through Faith. As He ministered to them and to the Jews, He challenged their Faith and picked them up after they fell (or caught them before they sank). I don't recall if the same Apostles carried swords after Jesus' Resurrection. After the Resurrection, the Apostles were armed with the Holy Spirit.

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"there are many who "fall for it"...just as many read trashy romance novels. Quality of the work doesn't equate with popularity."

I have to admit that in the past, I've purchased big boner pills. Did they work? Well, I didn't take before and after photos to study a difference. Did I "fall for it"? Maybe. The literature sure was promising. Would I do it again? I guess that would depend on a lady's influence. Do I feel embarrassed over this whole episode? You bet I do! In fact I wish I never brought it up. I was going to delete this, but I already hit the "Post" button. It's too late now...everyone knows!!!!
135 posted on 04/27/2005 8:36:54 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (May the Blessed Virgin guide mankind's effort to reaching a Just and lasting Peace.)
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To: SaltyJoe
I was going to delete this, but I already hit the "Post" button. It's too late now...everyone knows!!!!

LMHO! Well done... :-)

Glad to see that some FReepers still have a sense of humour! :-)

163 posted on 04/28/2005 3:38:17 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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