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To: SaltyJoe; jan in Colorado
Burning at the stake? Not in the past 100 plus years. But that would be a very interesting statistic.

Well, not just Catholic...you can also include Catholic Lite. I'm a direct descendant of the last person to be burned for heresy in England, Edward Wightman. His brother brought Edward's kids over to America, forming some of the heretical (Baptist) roots from which I spring.

Don't worry...I don't hold any grudge...but it's interesting how such acts were carried out, and are still hinted at today.

I also don't think a numbers game is relevant at all. So what if Muslims are now where Catholics/Christians were in the past--does that mean Catholics/Christians should have been wiped out back then?

And please don't reference English Protestant historians for what happened during the Spanish Inquisition; otherwise, we'd have to consider Act Up's numbers for how many homosexuals exist in society.

Don't worry...I'll go by Thomas F. Madden, hero of the Inquisition :-) He confirms that "[t]orture was rare and only about 1 percent of those brought before the Spanish Inquisition were actually executed." Fair enough?

Still...would hate to be that rare victim, or in the 1 percent.

I also acknowledge that the Inquisitions turned their victims over to "secular" authorities rather than bloody themselves. Funny thing is, the reasons the "secular" authorities considered heresy a crime was because their positions were supposedly sanctioned by God. So...they weren't really independent of the Church, and since the executions were carried out in the name of Christianity, what different does it make?

112 posted on 04/27/2005 7:03:32 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Gondring
"Catholic Lite" that's funny.

It's very interesting. What I find most poignant is how much time God gives us to discover and reconcile our mistakes. As time progresses and a soul knows God better, one increasingly becomes more aware of their faults. All of this gives us evidence of God's Infinite Mercy.

"Funny thing is, the reasons the "secular" authorities considered heresy a crime was because their positions were supposedly sanctioned by God."

The Vatican's arbitration's had kept the post-Moorish Iberian Peninsula from many wars with itself.

Hollywood gave us a false image of Islamic domination of the Iberian Peninsula. "El Cid" didn't look for a friendly co-existance in Spain. The Spaniards and Portuguese had enough of non-Christian rule and non-Christian mingling. The Inquisition sought to purify the peninsula. The result from the massive deportations was the impressively well-organized, well-disciplined empowerment of two immense empires (both rife with glory and fault, but nevertheless gigantic in the pages of history).

Though the Spanish and Portuguese had a successful relationship with the Vatican, secular powers everywhere always seek more than temporal power (of vices for abuse, power is the most addictive). Before last century's Spanish Civil War, their royalty sought more power over their subjects (as well as trying to manipulate the Vatican itself). Even today, Communist/Socialist elements in Spain still try to pervert human nature by normalizing homosexuality.

The more I see of how little mankind has changed, the more I am encouraged to focus on my own stubborn heart since it's really the only one I can change.
122 posted on 04/27/2005 7:33:16 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (May the Blessed Virgin guide mankind's effort to reaching a Just and lasting Peace.)
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