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To: Orgiveme

No it IS the merits of the case I'm arguing. And the "studies" that show a link between vaccines and autism have no merits, they cherry pick data, refuse to give a full accounting of how they got their information, don't even try to establish HOW vaccines would cause autism, and serve no purpose other than trying to foment panic in the general populace. The studies that are open with their data and methods show no statistical or causative link.

Everything else is because YOU insist on making this debate about me. If you don't want to discuss me then STOP. You're the one that keeps trying to poison the well by attacking me, I'm merely defending myself, if you don't want to hear my defense of myself then stop attacking me. I'm trying to, but you don't seem to like that, instead attacking all those that disagree with you and then claiming they're insulting you.

Here are the facts: the studies that are open enough to be even remotely trustworthy show no link, the "studies" that show a link are not open and show an obvious preconceived conclusion in a desperate search for supporting data. They read a lot like pro-global warming studies and I don't believe any of them either.


410 posted on 04/21/2005 2:04:58 PM PDT by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: discostu
No it IS the merits of the case I'm arguing. And the "studies" that show a link between vaccines and autism have no merits, they cherry pick data, refuse to give a full accounting of how they got their information, don't even try to establish HOW vaccines would cause autism, and serve no purpose other than trying to foment panic in the general populace. The studies that are open with their data and methods show no statistical or causative link.

Nothing approaching this was stated by you until very recently, and you give no citations (references).

Here are the facts: the studies that are open enough to be even remotely trustworthy show no link, the "studies" that show a link are not open and show an obvious preconceived conclusion in a desperate search for supporting data. They read a lot like pro-global warming studies and I don't believe any of them either.

Please cite some examples. That will be more educational than telling everyone else what they're not doing right.

414 posted on 04/21/2005 3:23:10 PM PDT by Orgiveme (Give me liberty orgiveme death!)
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To: discostu

The wakefield and o'leary studies do posit a mechanism.

It involves a PCR DNA test to find the M of the MMR in the intestines and lymph nodes.

There is quite a bit out there out that you are not likely aware of....


423 posted on 04/21/2005 10:03:35 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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