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To: TomB
Ah yes, what vaccination thread would be complete without the allegation that, since I'm sticking up for vaccinations, I MUST have a financial stake in the business. No, I'm just trained in this area, and I know what I'm talking about.

Not exactly what I was trying to ascertain, but pretty close-- having had the accusation leveled at me.

Here's my position, and it's pretty simple:

I believe the idea of vaccinations is very good, helpful, and serves the common good. I believe the actual implementation has been lax, shoddy, or any other similar term you want to apply.

Vaccination, as with all other drug-related products, is a business. Profit is what primarily guides it. Because of this, it behooves the drug companies to create the vaccines in the most profitable way possible, have it used in the most cases possible, and to minimize their financial risk whereever possible.

Do you think Thimerosol was pulled from drugs because it was more profitable to contain these vaccinations separately instead of together? No, it was done because a growing number of people and, as a result, studies started showing correlations. They saw the hand writing on the wall and decided to lower their financial risk.

When I post these questions, it is to raise awareness. If my mother had been aware of these studies or the anecdotal evidence at the time my brother was born, he might be a functioning adult right now, instead of a perpetual twelve-year-old in a 30-year-old body.

If Thimerosol doesn't end up being the cause of autism, the issue still will have sparked someone, through financial incentive, to figure out what the cause actually is. If Thimerosol isn't the cause, I would be the first person to applaud that discovery-- and look in a new direction. I've lived with autism. I certainly wouldn't wish that on ANYONE.

I want to find the cause. I also want people to be protected against diseases that we've largely put to rest. I want to make sure that the people who are well-suited to find the cause for autism aren't prohibited to do so because of financial disincentive.

How would you propose we best do that?

135 posted on 04/20/2005 10:19:57 AM PDT by Egon (Liberals: The only group of people they don't want to kill are those that kill others.)
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To: Egon
Do you think Thimerosol was pulled from drugs because it was more profitable to contain these vaccinations separately instead of together? No, it was done because a growing number of people and, as a result, studies started showing correlations. They saw the hand writing on the wall and decided to lower their financial risk.

No, the government MADE them remove it. And there was a legal aspect to it also.

In case you haven't noticed, the medical profession has change almost completely to disposable items. With "infection control" being the new buzzword the past decade, EVERYTHING is single use. As a matter of fact, since the companies can charge more for the newer packs, they make more money.

If Thimerosol doesn't end up being the cause of autism, the issue still will have sparked someone, through financial incentive, to figure out what the cause actually is. If Thimerosol isn't the cause, I would be the first person to applaud that discovery-- and look in a new direction.

So you are going to scare people away from getting vaccines to "raise awareness". That's insane. Kids are still dying in this county and other developed countries because they aren't getting their shots. To do anything to encourage people to forego vaccinations is plain wrong.

140 posted on 04/20/2005 10:27:45 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: Egon
I have done some stats work. There is more at play than correlation /causation. There is time line. This makes for a quite a big difference in the likelihood of causation.

For example, It is well known that beer sales and diaper sales are correlated in the anals of marketing. But its a joke because no story is given to explain the mechanism of cause.

In 'What your Doctor May Not Tell About Children's Vaccinations' we learn about mechanisms that should give folks pause.

1) The sudden increase in disease rates with vaccination rates

2) Mercury, aluminum formaldehyde and other toxins.

3) Younger age of vaccinations. Children cant produce bile until 4 months to get rid of the heavy metals mentioned above.
4) Sheer number of vaccines given at once could overload the immune system.

5) Vaccines not tested. Only 1000 kids were followed for 4/5 days. Many reactions happen after 3 months or more.

6) Under reporting in the VAERS database. Doctors HAVE NO LIABILITY if your kid is injured from vaccine. Reporting rates are only 10% nationwide and only 2.5% in NYC.

7) Shalala made harder to get a claim out of the vaccine trust fund. Only 1400 or so of 3500 claims honored after years of haggling of only 250K
289 posted on 04/20/2005 1:47:39 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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