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Apparently autism is nonexistent in Amish who do not vaccinate, but is seen in the younger Amish who do vaccinate. (I apologize for the poor editing of the above article--it's my first post).
1 posted on 04/20/2005 8:26:45 AM PDT by agsloss
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The one scientific maxim that lazy scientific researchers, psuedo-scientists, crackpots and conspiracy buffs fail to remember is that correlation is not causation. Simply connecting people and events together with a condition does not provide evidence that the events are related to the cause of the condition.

For instance, a noted researcher once claimed that caucasion people had a genetic predisposition to cocaine. Her evidence? Cocaine addicts were more frequently found to be caucasion while crack addicts were more frequently found to be African-American. Of course, her simplistic analysis ignored the economics of both cocaine and crack as well as cultural and social distinctions that affect those economics. Her thesis failed because - correlation is not causation.

Anyone can put a bunch of facts on a board and draw lines connecting the facts. It is not science, but supposition, until hard science determines if any of those lines exist anywhere besides someone's imagination.

I am not trying to debunk the concept that childhood vaccinations now, or ever, play(ed) a role in people developing autism. It's just that, at this point, it is a concept trying to correlate the two but it has not proven or found a causitive factor that actually links them.

So, people should avoid making declaritive statements about that unproven link; at least for now.


45 posted on 04/20/2005 9:05:32 AM PDT by Wuli (The democratic basis of the constitution is "we the people" not "we the court".)
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So far... just more MSM half-baked science validating their world of PC villains and victims.

After admitting "Of course, the Amish world is insular by nature" this "journalistic investigator" tosses this aside by saying "... some Amish today interact with the outside world ...". He then proceeds to advance his lack of finding autistic children as a case of lack of autistic children. NOWHERE DOES HE SAY HOW HE OVERCAME "THEIR INSULAR NATURE".

Can you just see the Amish opening up and spilling all their family secrets to this blue-state pencil-pushing MSM metro-sexual. HOW CAN THOSE SO CLUELESS TAKE THEMSELvES SO SERIOUSLY? (Since he calls this an "ongoing series" let's see if he digs himself out.)

50 posted on 04/20/2005 9:09:07 AM PDT by drpix
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Read later.


53 posted on 04/20/2005 9:10:15 AM PDT by EagleMamaMT ("Uncle Sugar: Handle it at the border or Uncle Winchester will handle it at the porch." Squantos)
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Here we go again!


55 posted on 04/20/2005 9:11:15 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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Just a thought, but the Amish probably don't use recreational drugs either.

I'm close to an Autistic.

Its rough.

65 posted on 04/20/2005 9:21:17 AM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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Interesting. Can you ping me when you post the follow-up article?


67 posted on 04/20/2005 9:22:45 AM PDT by expatpat
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Or more likely as rather independent people they don't spend a lot of time with hassling a doctor about every little thing so they don't get any of the so called "mild" form of autism diagnosed, thus putting them back to how autism was diagnosed back in the 60s and 70s before anybody had decided there was such a thing as functional autistics.


68 posted on 04/20/2005 9:23:21 AM PDT by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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Keep me posted on part II if you please.


93 posted on 04/20/2005 9:41:25 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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It's actually because the Grays leave the Amish alone. Truman knew about it but conspired with the Bilderbergers to cover it up. Kennedy was about to spill the beans which is why they had him killed.


95 posted on 04/20/2005 9:42:31 AM PDT by Redcloak (But what do I know? I'm just a right-wing nut in his PJs whackin' on a keyboard..)
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Jumping to that conclusion based on this anecdote is a bit reckless; the Amish don't watch MTV either.


97 posted on 04/20/2005 9:43:17 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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It may also have something to do with being around farms and farm animals.

I remember reading that exposure to the farm environment allows the developing child's immunity system to deal with common ailments which are out and about in the world.

Similar to minimal exposure leads to immunity concept of vaccines.

I just mention it to add to the discussion.


107 posted on 04/20/2005 9:49:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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Bump! I think your are right on!


133 posted on 04/20/2005 10:14:52 AM PDT by NPeery
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I had a friend who had two autistic children, that told me that the condition is hereditary and that is is very often found in children of engineers (now days, computer nerds). This could mean children of mildly Asperger people. Actually, both parents in two different families that I knew with autistic kids, could have qualified as possible Aspergers.


136 posted on 04/20/2005 10:20:24 AM PDT by Eva
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definitely want to read this later - thx


143 posted on 04/20/2005 10:30:55 AM PDT by Chili Girl
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Bump


149 posted on 04/20/2005 10:36:28 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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"Apparently autism is nonexistent in Amish who do not vaccinate, but is seen in the younger Amish who do vaccinate. (I apologize for the poor editing of the above article--it's my first post)."

Good post

There's a good article on this subject in the March edition of Discover magazine titled: Our Preferred Poison. (It's the mercury in the vaccines)

161 posted on 04/20/2005 10:59:16 AM PDT by blam
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Autism, along with numerous cancers and liver/kidney diseases in children, is caused by children who have a genetic deficiency in de-toxification of oxidants. Make sure to give your child vitamin supplements from an early age.


210 posted on 04/20/2005 11:50:36 AM PDT by montag813
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Autism, along with numerous cancers and liver/kidney diseases in children, is caused by children who have a genetic deficiency in de-toxification of oxidants. Make sure to give your child vitamin supplements from an early age.


212 posted on 04/20/2005 11:51:49 AM PDT by montag813
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I don't know...

Walkin' through any of the old graveyards around here and counting 1, 2, 3, sometimes 4 dead children per family during the last 200 years or so makes me see why vaccinations may have caught on like they did ;)


215 posted on 04/20/2005 11:55:12 AM PDT by najida (I wish I had Tina Turner's legs, Ann Coulter's brains and Paris Hilton's credit cards.)
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Could this not simply demonstrate a genetic pre-disposition (or in the Amish case, not) for Autism? After all, aspergers is clearly inherited and mostly male, right?


299 posted on 04/20/2005 2:00:36 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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