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The Age of Autism: The Amish anomaly
The Washington Times ^ | April 18, 2005 | Dan Omstead

Posted on 04/20/2005 8:26:42 AM PDT by agsloss

Lancaster, PA, Apr. 18 (UPI) -- Part 1 of 2. Where are the autistic Amish? Here in Lancaster County, heart of Pennsylvania Dutch country, there should be well over 100 with some form of the disorder. I have come here to find them, but so far my mission has failed, and the very few I have identified raise some very interesting questions about some widely held views on autism. The mainstream scientific consensus says autism is a complex genetic disorder, one that has been around for millennia at roughly the same prevalence. That prevalence is now considered to be 1 in every 166 children born in the United States. Applying that model to Lancaster County, there ought to be 130 Amish men, women and children here with Autism Spectrum Disorder. Well over 100, in rough terms. Typically, half would harbor milder variants such as Asperger's Disorder or the catch-all Pervasive Development Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified -- PDD-NOS for short. So let's drop those from our calculation, even though "mild" is a relative term when it comes to autism. That means upwards of 50 Amish people of all ages should be living in Lancaster County with full-syndrome autism, the "classic autism"...

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I have identified three Amish residents of Lancaster County who apparently have full-syndrome autism, all of them children. A local woman told me there is one classroom with about 30 "special-needs" Amish children. In that classroom, there is one autistic Amish child. Another autistic Amish child does not go to school. The third is that woman's pre-school-age daughter. If there were more, she said, she would know it. What I learned about those children is the subject of the next column.

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KEYWORDS: amish; autism; cooksbrains; mercury; rx; vaccines
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To: Orgiveme

LOL...well, that sounds like a REAL fun trip!

Never heard of Vit. C helping with chicken pox, and now I'll never get to test it out for myself!

What really worries me is that no one knows just how long this chicken pox vaccine is good for, and I also know that you definitely DON'T want chicken pox as an adult. I worry that my kids' vaccines will wear off when they are adults and THEN they'll get it.

I watched a grown-up suffer for three months with dangerously high fever, hallucinations, you name it...all because he contracted chicken pox from his kids as an adult. (BTW...the kids were over it within a week or so.)

So I really would prefer it if they got the dang thing as kids, when it is MUCH less serious. (Yes, I know that a few children are in grave danger from it. They are, of course, in the minority.)

Regards,


321 posted on 04/20/2005 2:53:53 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: Egon

Of course data can be manipulated. Organizations do it all of the time-- when ever they want to be able to give some good news about themselves. Sometimes its blatant, sometimes it's not. In my original post, I wasn't trying to make any grand point--hence, my "small sample" comment-- except that there's more to the problem than mercury as a preservative-- if mercury is the problem.


322 posted on 04/20/2005 3:01:00 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: TomB
Ah yes, what vaccination thread would be complete without the allegation that, since I'm sticking up for vaccinations, I MUST have a financial stake in the business. No, I'm just trained in this area, and I know what I'm talking about.

What does "trained in this area" mean? I'm trained in this area: I've submitted four kids to a series of vaccinations because I was told it was good for them, therefore I'm a good parent, therefore I'm "well-trained." Is that what you're referring to?

323 posted on 04/20/2005 4:04:36 PM PDT by Orgiveme (Give me liberty orgiveme death!)
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To: monday
Why would you think that? I don't see anyone as expendable. I am thankful for vaccines however, because they have saved millions of lives.

I think the poster might have put it this way: You aren't the parent of "millions of lives" and she is the parent of one of those injured by a "safe" vaccination.

I don't usually commend arguments on the basis of their proponents having or not having "personal experience" with or -- at least -- an emotional tie to what they're arguing, but in the case of autism it seems like it's pretty easy to tell on this thread which posters are speaking from knowledge and experience (in spite of one person's claim to the contrary).

As usual, a lot of the posters are proposing "either/or" when the issue is that there are safer alternatives to epidemics of whooping cough and the like. It isn't "either/or"; it's "there are better ways to avoid the problem." The smokescreen is the lie that thimerosal is safe, vaccines are safe and don't contain thimerosal anymore even though it's safe (figure that one out), etc.

324 posted on 04/20/2005 4:11:13 PM PDT by Orgiveme (Give me liberty orgiveme death!)
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To: Explodo
One FAmily Member with Autism

Uh...pardon me for asking this, but when you say "a family member," could you please be more specific? Otherwise, your statement lacks a certain grabbing-quality.

325 posted on 04/20/2005 4:14:14 PM PDT by Orgiveme (Give me liberty orgiveme death!)
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To: Eva
I had a friend who had two autistic children, that told me that the condition is hereditary and that is is very often found in children of engineers (now days, computer nerds). This could mean children of mildly Asperger people. Actually, both parents in two different families that I knew with autistic kids, could have qualified as possible Aspergers.

I believe there is a genetic component in SOME cases; a Stanford study indicates there are three genes with an weakness. The condition itself is not genetic, however, from their findings. I mention elsewhere a connection with lazy eye in families with autistics; my husband believes there is an issue of genetic "brain mapping" that is genetic but it is not autistic, per se. That, I think, might explain the "engineering" aspect. My husband, one son (non-autistic and very "engineering" personality) and my mother-in-law all have the lazy eye condition (only one is visible on gross examination outside the eyes, however); a relative of my mother-in-law's was a fluid dynamics engineer at NASA. I happen to think those things are all connected.

Oh, incidentally, my husband is an engineer-type, also, and his mother has an autistic-like personality.

326 posted on 04/20/2005 4:21:06 PM PDT by Orgiveme (Give me liberty orgiveme death!)
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To: expatpat
I have set up an elephant defense system, and not one elephant has penetrated it in 30 years!

expatpat, I'd like to buy that system... < /homer simpson >
327 posted on 04/20/2005 4:22:02 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: TomB
What, exactly, is the toxic level of mercury?

What, exactly, is the toxic level of mercury? You know all about the topic, having been trained in it, so you give it up.

328 posted on 04/20/2005 4:25:30 PM PDT by Orgiveme (Give me liberty orgiveme death!)
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To: Explodo
So I guess you're going to next provide yet more anecdotal evidence that Autism is caused by Vaccinations?

i've heard this throughout the years... i didn't pay much attention until i became a parent... i always hated when my baby had to get his shots... a friend of the family believes her son became autistic when he got received one of his vaccinations... he seemed fine before that... she now works with autistic children professionally... i don't know if vaccinations cause autism, but some people do believe that, and it's not far-fetched...

329 posted on 04/20/2005 4:28:03 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: ikka

A person can't go through their whole life blaming their parents, but my wife and I really wish we'd had 'normal' parents. It's taken years to resolve a lot of stuff.


330 posted on 04/20/2005 4:28:25 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: TigerTale

My family would have been Lancaster Conference or an ever more conference. I grew up in Canada however, near Kitchener-Waterloo, and the folks there were already amalgamated, I believe.


331 posted on 04/20/2005 4:56:43 PM PDT by ikka
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To: colorcountry

"I'm sure I'll be flamed for this, but I didn't have my children vaccinated."

If I had kids I would not have them vaccinated. I myself refuse to get flu shots etc. A good friend of mine has studied this field and he says it's not so much as the vaccination itself but the one dose fits all approach.


332 posted on 04/20/2005 5:10:57 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (The Good News of the Gospel of Christ really is Good News!)
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To: Incorrigible
An intriguing Autism article bump.
333 posted on 04/20/2005 5:16:48 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: SouthernFreebird
Explain to me then why boys are more likely to develop Autism from a vaccine?

I have a theory on this: look at the Pitocin connection and the greater cephalopelvic disproportion with (larger) male infants.

334 posted on 04/20/2005 5:30:43 PM PDT by Orgiveme (Give me liberty orgiveme death!)
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To: fooman
The thing is you must inject your child or no school

Not true yet. There are various websites that will instruct you in how to waive out of the situation.

335 posted on 04/20/2005 5:32:34 PM PDT by Orgiveme (Give me liberty orgiveme death!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
singling out low vaccinination rates

Do the Amish practice home-birthing? (Pitocin...)

336 posted on 04/20/2005 5:34:19 PM PDT by Orgiveme (Give me liberty orgiveme death!)
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To: SouthernFreebird

Yesterday, I took my son to get an x-ray, and seated in the small, cramped office were two young girls with masks on who'd tested positive for tuburculosis. They were clearly contagious. They were foreigners, and a wave of anger overcame me.


337 posted on 04/20/2005 5:35:57 PM PDT by ruthles (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean people aren't out to get you.)
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To: ruthles

Don't be so sure. A few years ago I had a college student from Japan renting a room in my house. Just before graduation, the college made everybody get a routine TB test, and if the skin test showed any reaction at all, an X-ray followed. Well, this girl had a very slight skin reaction, and the X-ray showed a spot on her lung. She explained that the spot had been seen on X-rays when she was very young, and had been checked out and determined to be benign -- and after all those years it was still just the one little spot. Nevertheless, they confined her to the campus infirmary and made her wear a mask all the time. Further testing proved conclusively that she didn't have tuberculosis. Extreme precautions are taken when there's the slightest evidence of possible TB infection. Most likely those kids in your doctor's office didn't have TB and/or weren't contagious. If anybody really thought they were contagious, they wouldn't have been there.


338 posted on 04/20/2005 6:03:13 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: independentgrrl

Oh, exactly! Try what you can and see what works! I tried homeschooling for mine, and that is beating out all the public school services so far. I am sorry we are both in this situation.


339 posted on 04/20/2005 6:05:58 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: fooman
I went back and forth over this. I bought the book by Aviva Romm (is that her name?) and wanted not to vaccinate. Then you hear of the horrors of whooping cough, and I couldn't bear to have my underweight baby get that; it could be dangerous for him.

But just the fact that you need 3 boosters 2 months apart makes me sick. How good can a vaccination be if you need to keep shoving it in every other month? How do we know that every child needs that much?

Where should I report this?

340 posted on 04/20/2005 6:11:33 PM PDT by Yaelle
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