Posted on 04/20/2005 8:26:42 AM PDT by agsloss
Lancaster, PA, Apr. 18 (UPI) -- Part 1 of 2. Where are the autistic Amish? Here in Lancaster County, heart of Pennsylvania Dutch country, there should be well over 100 with some form of the disorder. I have come here to find them, but so far my mission has failed, and the very few I have identified raise some very interesting questions about some widely held views on autism. The mainstream scientific consensus says autism is a complex genetic disorder, one that has been around for millennia at roughly the same prevalence. That prevalence is now considered to be 1 in every 166 children born in the United States. Applying that model to Lancaster County, there ought to be 130 Amish men, women and children here with Autism Spectrum Disorder. Well over 100, in rough terms. Typically, half would harbor milder variants such as Asperger's Disorder or the catch-all Pervasive Development Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified -- PDD-NOS for short. So let's drop those from our calculation, even though "mild" is a relative term when it comes to autism. That means upwards of 50 Amish people of all ages should be living in Lancaster County with full-syndrome autism, the "classic autism"...
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I have identified three Amish residents of Lancaster County who apparently have full-syndrome autism, all of them children. A local woman told me there is one classroom with about 30 "special-needs" Amish children. In that classroom, there is one autistic Amish child. Another autistic Amish child does not go to school. The third is that woman's pre-school-age daughter. If there were more, she said, she would know it. What I learned about those children is the subject of the next column.
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Let me restate, the MMR vaccine never, EVER contained thimerosal.
Autism rates are down in California since that time.
definitely want to read this later - thx
Yes, like covering up the fact that Toxic levels of Mercury was being injected into infants, and no one caught on until it was too late.
I agree whole-heartedly.
Vaccines have been infinitely valuable, and have saved countless lives.
The question is: Given the above fact, and that, potentially, people are at risk from them in an unforseen way, how do you go about convincing people that the problem should be acknowledged, looked at, and then fixed?
Here are the hurdles:
People are happy in the thought that vaccines are great. They don't want to endanger their kids. They're getting mixed messages (or, most of the time, only the positives) that vaccines do harm along with the greater good.
Drug manufacturs want to maintain/expand profits. Finding a problem with a vaccine/drug not only hurts sales, but it opens them up to HUGE liability.
How do we get past the Hurdles?
Ok, look if you want to shill for it, thats fine, but no one is saying that MMR contined thimerosal. However, while the infant bodies were being injected with high levels of mercury, they were also getting the MMR vac.
Link?
It is absolutely verifiably untrue that "If not for vaccines many more than one in 166 children would die from the diseases that vaccines prevent." The death rates for these diseases declined by over 95% before vaccines were ever even introduced. I have a pdf file with these stats I can send you by email if you'd like.
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What, exactly, is the toxic level of mercury?
At least by the time Ben Franklin had kids; he lost one four-year-old boy to smallpox and regretted not having vaccinated him. He may be part of the reason that form of "immunizing" has so much social acceptance, along with many of his other "reforms."
I would encourage anyone interested in the topic to compare the use and effectiveness of homeopathic nosodes instead of conventional vaccinations; the difference can be likened to stimulating the immune system as opposed to overwhelming it. The proven consequence of overwhelming the human immune system by inoculation (which bypasses the protective function of the gut) explains the sequelae (following incidence) of disease conditions after inoculation mentioned by one poster to this thread.
OK. I guess I'm one level removed from what I thought their incentive was. Point still holds.
So you are going to scare people away from getting vaccines to "raise awareness". That's insane. Kids are still dying in this county and other developed countries because they aren't getting their shots. To do anything to encourage people to forego vaccinations is plain wrong.
Really? What happened to the herd-immunization theory? Seems to me this is a perfect time to look at the safety of the situation.
That's not what I said, though. I said that people need to be informed. Who's going to inform them? You? The drug company? Their doctor?
Pretty dang high. In other words, it doesn't take much.
Thimerosal - "The safe mercury!"
According to the FDA, its 1ppm. However, they further contend that there is a safety factor of 10 built in to that figure.
and a spell checker would have not caught that you may mean found.
Suggested response using my newest favorite from Robbie the Robot in the LIS movie: "Oh, ha ha." (smile)
My God. Has anyone considered the potential for autism (from auto-immune reaction, which is one mitigator and the one that probably takes place in Pitocin-induced deliveries) from foreign human protein in the vaccines?
Going further, The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s recommended reference dose, or level below which exposures are considered harmless, of mercury in the blood is 5.8 micrograms per liter.
Now coupled with say, an infant receiving 75 micrograms of mercury from three doses of DTaP, 75 micrograms from three doses of Hib, and 37.5 micrograms from three doses of hepatitis B vaccine - a total of 187.5 micrograms of mercury.
Considering that a baby has about a half liter of blood intheir bodies, I would say we were WELL beyond any responsible threshold of toxicity.
Where are you getting your numbers? If that were true, then every child who got their shots would have DIED.
Most families could cite those statistics before the last three decades, but that doesn't change the fact that most families can now name you at least one autistic or autistic spectrum disordered family member, if only in their extended family.
If you think that's an exaggeration, post yourself at the exit of a standard supermarket and try it. You'll be very surpised. Even the medical authorities are (slowly) being forced to admit that autism and its related disorders are now pandemic (not an epidemic but no longer just incidental, either).
The people that are finally forcing the meds to admit the incidence of autism, etc., are not -- interestingly -- the families but another part of the "system": the educators and agency-based (federal and state monies) providers of care for the disabled (after families finally cave in from the burden of care). As we have witnessed with Terri Schiavo, natural family have virtually no voice in this and related situations -- only the "legal caregivers" have a voice.
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