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To: presidio9
Holy Cow! Please tell me the "Throne of Peter" is in a museum. I cannot imagine anyone in my synod's history having the audacity to sit on a chair like that: from those involved in writing the Book of Condor, to Martin Luther, to the Council of Nicene, to the apostles. None would sit on a chair like that or want a chair like that named after them. Wow, it's beautiful!

2000 years unbroken? That is arguable. However, the Great Schism of the West (1378-1417) is a great testament to the power of the pope over the cardinals.

It all started way back in 97 when serious dissensions troubled the Church of Corinth. The Roman Bishop, Clement, unbidden, wrote an authoritative letter to restore peace. This letter establishes the papacy. However, this letter is not contained in the Bible. It was not accepted as the inerrant word of God.

If the Pope is accepted as infallible, then his letter should start tradition. Right?

However, if you actually read it, you will find justification by faith alone.

From Clement of Rome's First Letter to Corinth...

And we too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, understanding, godliness, or works which we have produced in holiness of heart.

But we are justified by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Martin Luther was excommunicated because he would not blindly reject justification by faith alone because of a command by the current Pope.

Kind of makes a mess of papal infallibility in matters of doctrine. Reminds me of dominoes.

That's a beautiful chair though.

87 posted on 04/20/2005 10:17:07 PM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: Tao Yin

Dude, get a grip. This is a Morford thread, hardly the place to argue theology. God and Morford haven't been introduced (actually, God knows and believes in Morford, but she rejects Him in favor of buttsex and drugs, but most people here already know that). My point was that nobody was making any slight at your faith by calling the Papacy the Throne of Peter. It is called that for traditional reasons that I gave to you. You don't have to accept that, just as athiests are fond of not capitalizing words like Son or God where appropriate, but neither are meant as a personal insult.


88 posted on 04/21/2005 12:57:13 AM PDT by presidio9 ("For relaxing times, make it Santori time.")
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