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To: LIConFem

I'm curious, what is the truth there. I don't like the idea that he fought for the Germans when we just had a Pope who was persecuted by them.


1,124 posted on 04/19/2005 9:58:00 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: pa mom
DOES THIS FIT IN WITH THE PROPHECY OF MALACHY?
1,154 posted on 04/19/2005 9:59:17 AM PDT by el_doctor2
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To: pa mom

"I'm curious, what is the truth there. I don't like the idea that he fought for the Germans when we just had a Pope who was persecuted by them."

Well, there was this Pharasee named Saul who stood by as Stephen was stoned. (First Chritian martyr, BTW).

Saul turned out OK.


1,163 posted on 04/19/2005 9:59:44 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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From Wikipedia:

Ratzinger was born in Marktl am Inn, in Bavaria, the son of a police officer who was staunchly anti-Nazi. In 1937 Ratzinger's father retired and settled in the town of Traunstein. When Ratzinger turned 14 in 1941, he was required by law to join the Hitler Youth , but according to his biographer John Allen he was not an enthusiastic member. In 1943, at the age of 16 he was, along with the rest of his class, drafted into the Flak or anti-aircraft corps, responsible for the guarding of a BMW plant outside Munich. He was then sent for basic infantry training and was posted to Hungary, where he worked setting up anti-tank defences until he deserted in April 1944 (an offence punishable by death). In 1945 he was briefly held in an Allied POW camp. By June he was released, and he and his brother (Georg) entered a Catholic seminary.

1,244 posted on 04/19/2005 10:03:35 AM PDT by MozartLover (Habemus Papem!)
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To: pa mom
I don't like the idea that he fought for the Germans when we just had a Pope who was persecuted by them.

He was born in 1927, the same age as my father.

Dad wasn't old enough to be drafted until 1945, the year the war ended.....18 years old.

From 1939 to 1945, this Pope would have been 12 - 18 years old. Anything at that time of life could hardly be held against him.....especially if he's from Munich.

The Benedictine Abbey of Hildregard was one of my favorite places to visit in my final tour of duty in Germany. It sits along the Rhine alongside the town of Rudesheim. It is a beautiful place of vineyards and prayerfulness. I loved sitting in the sanctuary during vespers listening to the nuns march in and chant. (We could never see them.)

Does anyone know if Ratzinger is Benedictine? (Incidentally, I am not Catholic so if I say anything out of bounds, it's not intentional.)

1,285 posted on 04/19/2005 10:05:17 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: pa mom
I don't like the idea that he fought for the Germans when we just had a Pope who was persecuted by them.

What the heck is that supposed to mean? Cardinal Ratzinger and John Paul II were very close friends for the last 40 years. If John Paul II had no problem with his "past," then why would you?

1,293 posted on 04/19/2005 10:05:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: pa mom
He was drafted and served a little over a year (I think), both in an anti-aircraft battery and in some sort of construction capacity. He went AWOL in 1945 and was captured by U.S. forces.

So, while he was a German soldier, it certainly wasn't by choice.
1,317 posted on 04/19/2005 10:06:42 AM PDT by LIConFem (Mein Luftkissenboot ist mit Aalen voll.)
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To: pa mom

Don't fall into that DU trap. Anyone of his age in Germany was required to serve. Only the historically challenged equate German soldiers with Nazi's (I'm not saying you are). The true Nazi's never faced their enemy.


1,401 posted on 04/19/2005 10:11:40 AM PDT by Lee_Atwater
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To: pa mom
The Cardinal was only 14 years oldwhen he was forced as other German youths to join. His family was very anti-Nazi.
2,569 posted on 04/19/2005 1:53:43 PM PDT by Lady In Blue ( President 'SEABISCUIT' AKA George W Bush)
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