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CA-LA: People leaving county in droves (Largest population shift in US History)
Los Angeles Daily News ^ | 4/15/05 | Beth Barrett

Posted on 04/15/2005 10:24:05 AM PDT by BurbankKarl

The exodus of Los Angeles County residents to surrounding counties and nearby states accelerated significantly during the past year, driving the largest population shift in the nation, according to new U.S. Census Bureau figures released Thursday. Fueled by soaring housing prices, traffic congestion, and new jobs in outlying areas, residents left L.A. at an average net rate of 9,621 per month between July 1, 2003, and last July 1, compared with an average net of 7,373 per month over the three previous years -- a 30 percent increase on average.

The figures show 115,434 more residents left the county last year than newcomers arrived. But the overall population still increased with 98,184 new immigrants arriving from foreign countries and 94,675 more births than deaths.

Experts said the trend is a continuing shrinking of the middle class in Los Angeles and a worsening of the disparity in income between new arrivals and the wealthier, long-term residents whose incomes likely will grow.

William H. Frey, a demographer and visiting fellow at The Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C., said the decades-long shift of populations to the suburbs has accelerated and expanded throughout the nation, with more families moving farther away into what's been dubbed the exurbs.

"What's happened in Southern California is a mega-trend of what's happening elsewhere, with people moving farther and farther from the central urban area. In California, it's even beyond state lines."

Frey said studies show that no longer is the migration a "white flight" phenomena, but that Hispanics, in particular, and other ethnic groups are joining in increasing numbers.

Los Angeles remained the nation's largest county with a population of 9,937,739 as of July 1, up 77,357 from the previous year.

Riverside County was reporting a net gain of 66,664 residents from other U.S. counties; San Bernardino gained 32,517 and Kern got 10,731 people from other counties -- a total gain of 109,912 residents last year.

Since April 1, 2000, 403,070 L.A. County residents left; Riverside, San Bernardino and Kern gained 367,323.

The San Fernando Valley, meanwhile, bucked the county trend, gaining a net 8,700 people from both international and domestic immigration last year, said Daniel Blake, a California State University, Northridge, economics professor and director of the San Fernando Valley Economic Research Center.

He attributed the countertrend to greater job growth in the Valley -- a 1.6 percent increase last year versus 0.65 percent countywide.

County residents moved out of Southern California entirely, too, largely in search of cheaper real estate, less congested roads and employment, to counties such as Maricopa, which includes Phoenix, and Clark County, which includes Las Vegas.

"On an aggregate, Riverside is the biggest gainer in domestic migrants, and L.A. County is the biggest loser in terms of domestic migrants," Frey said.

"People are leaving L.A. to go to Riverside, Las Vegas and Phoenix, then San Bernardino. It's affordability that's causing middle-class flights. People can't afford housing in Los Angeles, but want to stay in the Southwest and will commute long distances."

Jack Kyser, chief economist for the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp., said the chief factor for people leaving L.A. is "housing affordability," and the largest potential economic impact is that they then take jobs in outlying areas.

"We're getting a little bit too expensive," Kyser said of the county, noting a similar trend in Orange County, where 27,590 residents left for other counties last year. "The question is, Will they take jobs in other counties, or not?"

Increasingly, for example, professional service businesses like law, accounting or governmental affairs firms are moving farther from traditional urban cores like the city of Los Angeles, where business tax and other costs are high, to smaller cities like Ontario, he said.

L.A. also is a major port of entry for many immigrants who gain an economic toehold, then move on to other cities and states, inflating the extent of the county's outmigration, demographers said.

Florida also showed marked changes in population, recording 14 of the nation's 100 fastest-growing counties.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Nevada; US: New Mexico; US: Oregon; US: Utah; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: census; exodus; illegal; losangeles; mexifornia; migration
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To: ModelBreaker
It would also inflate the inmigration, would it not? How could a responsible demographer not point this out?

You sure don't know much about modern science. The results of any modern study is directly related to who is paying for it and what results the payee wants to support an agenda. The possibility of lucrative carry-on studies also can effect results. Now days when you finance a scientific study you get what you pay for.

61 posted on 04/15/2005 12:04:32 PM PDT by fella
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To: BurbankKarl

That's amazing. I didn't live here at the time. I was actually visiting my future husband's family here on the exact weekend of Rodney King's arrest and videotaping, but I was back east for the trial and the riots. Never saw any pictures like that on CNN.

A good friend of ours that lived in Torrance tells tales of how he would not leave any building without a loaded pistol. He drove with it on the seat next to him. It was that scary just getting to and from work.


62 posted on 04/15/2005 12:04:56 PM PDT by lainie
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To: ModelBreaker
It would also inflate the inmigration, would it not? How could a responsible demographer not point this out?

You sure don't know much about modern science. The results of any modern study is directly related to who is paying for it and what results the payee wants to support an agenda. The possibility of lucrative carry-on studies also can effect results. Now days when you finance a scientific study you get what you pay for.

63 posted on 04/15/2005 12:05:29 PM PDT by fella
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To: Scythian
CALIFORNIA DREAMIN IS NOW CALIFORNIA NIGHTMARE REALLY SAD.
64 posted on 04/15/2005 12:06:34 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: lainie

I moved back from Seattle in 1991...just in time for Rodney King....I really didnt care about guns until the riots, then started buying them. I carried for three days after the Northridge earthquake, and actually drew a shotgun on some looters of our business that January morning.


65 posted on 04/15/2005 12:09:16 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: missyme
It's Just awful, I went to L.A last week..HERE IS THE GOOD OL' 405 FWY STOPPED ALL THE WAY TO THE VALLEY!

So why do you have a radar detector?

66 posted on 04/15/2005 12:18:39 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Themeless Thursday is different from the other six themeless days how?)
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To: Professional Engineer

The same reason you proably have one....


67 posted on 04/15/2005 12:24:10 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Right now, I'm currently going to UC Riverside. Certainly a place I do not want to live once I'm done with school. However, one thing about this shift in population away from LA is that Riverside is now solidly red. Sure, the city itself is pretty much a cruddy place to live (just drive down the the 215 and look out the window. Dirt, delapidated houses, brown landscape, woohoo!), horrible traffic, and the pollution is terrible, but at least you won't find a lot of Democrats here...away from the campus at least (pure socialism on campus though).


68 posted on 04/15/2005 12:54:12 PM PDT by Simmy2.5 (DUmmies in mourning. World is a better place.)
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To: missyme

You like to use it for collision avoidance too?


69 posted on 04/15/2005 1:29:41 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Themeless Thursday is different from the other six themeless days how?)
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To: george wythe

It isn't new math. More residents left than new comers arrived (not counting births). 17250 more left. However, the county grew because of the 94,675 births. So the county grew by 77425.


70 posted on 04/15/2005 1:40:10 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Mostly for speeding purposes getting out of traffic, Diamond Lane....


71 posted on 04/15/2005 1:44:57 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: Wheelman

Welcome to FR!
Yes it is but I am a native angeleno so I see the not so good things of what has happened here...


74 posted on 04/15/2005 2:26:36 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: FeliciaCat
LOL! Mahattan real estate....dont even think about a reality...

Geez, makes the townhouse we just bought in DC seem like a bargain.

75 posted on 04/15/2005 2:30:28 PM PDT by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: missyme

Make that "Southern Calif nightmare.........NorCal is no where nears as congested, overrun with foreigners as So Cal and besides......Nor Cal is so much prettier...LOL...dontch know......


76 posted on 04/15/2005 2:38:24 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: BurbankKarl

+ that's without earthquake retrofitting, i'll bet.


77 posted on 04/15/2005 2:40:15 PM PDT by ken21 ( wasn't fr supposed to be a place to discuss ideas?)
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To: hookman

i remember the l.a. riots.

we had the national guard in our strip mall to prevent von's and builders emporium from being burned down.

scary.

also, the chp motorcycle officer went off that one broken freeway to his death.


78 posted on 04/15/2005 2:43:25 PM PDT by ken21 ( wasn't fr supposed to be a place to discuss ideas?)
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To: BurbankKarl

No mention of the root cause I see.


79 posted on 04/15/2005 2:53:02 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead (To hell with Mexico, its policies, and its leaders)
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To: missyme

John and Ken on KFI640 are talking about this story.....inviting callers who say they are going to move away to call.


80 posted on 04/15/2005 4:41:20 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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