Posted on 04/12/2005 4:05:42 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
Invoking symbols ranging from the Revolutionary War to Martin Luther King Jr., armed vigilantes are patrolling a segment of the Arizona-Mexico border and taking the enforcement of immigration law into their own hands. While they claim only to offer support to the Border Patrol, the Mexican government is on edge, human rights activists have flooded the area, and President Bush has distanced himself from the effort.
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It is the muslims that you need to worry about, their birthrate is not falling. If anyone inherits the earth, it will be the muslims.
The poll on various border solutions supersedes the poorly worded poll which you reference. Give it up.
Thank you so much, Ben. We'll likely get a lot of mileage out of this one. Good work.
It is a poll that you and others don't like so another poll was introduced to the thread. The logic among your crowd is that the second poll is the truth.
The poll that I introduced is the truth. 60% support a guest worker plan.
The birth rate is the birth rate. You can't spin it.
Every public opinion poll I've seen regarding “Amnesties” has shown an overwhelming majority of Americans being against Amnesty. Every one. You constantly specify “GWP”. I'd like to see those polls and what outfit ran them.
And again: The FR poll you referenced shows that 80% want illegal aliens deported back to Mexico under any proposed GWP or don’t want a GWP program at all. Doesn't work towards your OBL side does it?
Where have I posted anything in this thread about "sealing the borders ??" (although it is a very good idea !!).
I have only questioned YOUR statement that "sixty percent of FReepers favored a guest worker program".......the poll you linked showed about fifty percent (of your sixty) would approve GW's IF they applied from ORIGIN COUNTRY. (a little *fact* you didn't include in your first post).
If you try to poll amnesty then you have to poll earned legalization. If you poll earned legalization, you have to poll "path to citizenship". It cant be done.
And despite of the horrors of 9/11, the Bush Administration and Congress saw fit to continue the insane policy of allowing immigration from the very Terrorist harboring nations that brought us this nightmare. Says a lot about the leadership of this country.
LOL.....'changing stories'....playing 'the card'.......it's the only way most of the 'dirty dozen' can *attempt* to debate.
You seem to have a really hard time understanding, so let me type...really...slow.
The poll you quoted was horribly flawed (that means it was a bad poll). The Free Republic administrators (whoops, big word...let's say the grownups in charge) realized that after receiving a number of complaints. Anyone with an IQ (that's how smart a person is, Benny) greater than their waist size (that means, anyone who isn't a big dummy) can recognize how flawed the original poll was. The bad poll was replaced with a new poll which was better worded and far more relevant to the debate (that means it made more sense. In other words, it wasn't stupid like that guy you see in the mirror every morning.).
That you choose the flawed and replaced poll and tried to pretend that FReepers supported a guest worker plan by a 2 to 1 margin when a more relevant, more recent poll showed that they OPPOSE a guest worker plan by an 8 to 1 margin proves that you don't know what you're talking about and that you do not hesitate to play fast a loose with the facts. I mean, if you really believe that FReepers at the time the first poll was taken actually supported a guest worker plan by 2 to 1, how do you explain the more recent poll where it showed that FReepers OPPOSED a guest worker plan by an 8 to 1 margin?
Every guest worker plan I've seen introduced includes some sort of amnesty for criminal invaders.
You then posted the same poll as voted on only by FR members. It showed 45.9% supported sealing the border. I pointed out that this was a 7.4% differnce between the two polls.
The so-called "guest worker programs" floating around Congress and the Adminstration ARE Amnesties that include earned legalization and chain immigration.
The so-called "guest worker programs" floating around Congress and the Adminstration ARE Amnesties that include earned legalization and chain immigration.
This difference between the various guest worker plans is what the pubs and the dems are dueling about in Congress.
You left a little something out. Nice try. The poll that Txdoda referenced has 85% being in favor of either militarizing the border OR beefing up the border patrol. In either case, 85% of Freepers want MUCH better border control. Take it up with the majority of Freepers.
On the far right would be repatriation then re-entry ala Tancredo.
Slightly right of center would be the Bush Plan or Cornyn's bill. Also the the bill introduced by McCain and the Arizona delegation.
Left of center would be the compromise bills. These would include AgJobs, Daschle-Hagel, and the new bill by Kennedy and McCain that no one has seen.
Hmmm... that sounds too much like the [majority of] membership of _both_ major political parties here in the United States, and - or so it would seem by his actions, moreso than his words - no one less than our current president.
Recall the old saying from the Nixon White House in bygone years: "don't listen to what we say, watch what we DO."
Neither the President nor either political party seems intent doing ANYthing to deal with the immigration bomb, to stop it, or even to slow it down.
Remember the old song by Peggy Lee:
Is that all there is?
Is that all there is?
Well, if that's all there is,
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all...
I've come to the conclusion that there is almost nothing left that _can_ be done to save ourselves from the Immigration Bomb. Time is running out. We are fast approaching the point of "is that all there is?", and, as it will follow, the reality of "if that's all"...
Any talk of actually sending back the millions already here is met with guffaws. Who's going to send back 10 million? Yet each new arrival is (to paraphrase James Q. Wilson) "one more broken window" in our notion of borders, citizenship, and European-American culture. And each and every new arrival sends a signal to the millions more waiting to come in, that they can get away with it, so, go for it!
For the record, I'm for sending every illegal that can be identified and proven as such _back_. Every one. If that means I have to pay more taxes to get rid of them, so be it. I (and you) are certainly going to be paying far more to support them.
Any talk of building a security barrier to protect our Southern Border from the illegal onslaught is, too, met with guffaws. No one here doubts the effectiveness of the Israeli security fence as to protecting their own borders, in their case, against the infiltration of Palestinian terrorists. If a security fence around [nearly] the entire country of Israel can protect them against intrusion, why wouldn't a security barrier on our southern border protect _us_?
For the record, I advocated building a wall from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico back in the early 90's, before Pat Buchanan was even considering such notions. I've been to the Berlin wall (when it was in existence), seen it from _both_ sides, passed through Checkpoint Charlie. For what purpose it was intended, the Berlin Wall worked.
The lie that the border cannot be sealed and properly policed is currently being laid to rest by the few hundred "Minutemen" patrolling in Arizona - for even in their small numbers, they seem to be having a surprising effect!
But real deportations en masse aren't going to happen (I know that). And a security barrier isn't going to be built (I know that too). So what's left to be done?
Well, when you stop to think about it.... nothing. Because, nothing else is going to work at keeping the hordes of illegals out. We won't stop them from coming in, and once here, we won't send them back.
Thus, "is that all there is?"
So, better get used to it. Since we are unwilling to take the hard steps to STOP the illegal invasion, might as well fill you glass with whatever you like, hoist it high, and drink a hearty toast our fading civilization.
Because as the song says, "that's all"....
Cheers!
- John
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