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Transcript of Glenn Beck Interview with Ken Mullinax (Re: Starving Mae)
aclearvoice.org ^ | 4-9-05 | Transcript of Interview

Posted on 04/10/2005 6:26:38 PM PDT by schmelvin

Ken: I’m the nephew of Mae Magouirk in LaGrange, Georgia. My family lives in Alabama. They’re from Addiston, Alabama and I live in Birmingham, Alabama and we love my aunt Mae very much and we can’t believe that, uh, she is being withheld substantial nourishment…

Glenn: Ken, tell me this, tell me the situation, uh, be, because your grandma has, your grandma had, or your aunt has a, um, a living will!

Ken: Yeah, she has a living will and the living will is not being obeyed. As a matter of fact her attending physician, Doctor Stadde of LaGrange, Georgia, said in probate court that even though Mae Magourik’s living will says tha, uh, that her nourishment and fluids should only be pulled if she’s comatose or vegetative, that he feels her life is such that it should be pulled regardless.

(snip)

Ken: And those of your listeners that are sitting by, complacent, thinking “oh, poor Terri Schindler-Schiavo.” And I was one of them last week. I said, “Oh it’s terrible, but it’s just a freak, it’s an anomaly. It couldn’t happen to us.”

The next day, it happened to us...

(snip)

Glenn: Let me ask you this Ken, let me ask you this. How did your, um, uh, how did your aunt’s uh, granddaughter get control of the situation?

Ken: How did she what?

Glenn: How did she get control. How did this happ…

Ken: Well I’ll tell you what. First of all she bluffed us. Uh, we went to the hospital in LaGrange when my aunt was first sick and Beth told my uncle, she said, “Uncle Buddy, don’t even start with me. I’ve got the medical durable power of attorney. I’m making the decisions.” And I said, “Beth, you know, we’re right here in front of your grandmother. Even though she’s on morphine, we shouldn’t talk about this. We should go out in the hall.”

We went out in the hall and we explained my mother’s in uh, she’s had a great quality of life for the last two years even though she was in a coma. [Ken's mother was only in a coma for 3 months, she is now living a normal, active life.] We can treat it without surgery. And she said, “Listen,” she said, she started crying, she said, “I’ve been praying about this and, and I’ve been praying to Jesus. Jesus has told me it’s time that grandmother went home to Jesus. She’s got glaucoma. Now she’s got a dissected aorta and her quality of life is just terrible and we just think she should just go to hospice.” And I said, “Beth, hospice is a synonym for death. We’ve got doctors who are ready to take care of her today.”

She goes, “no, I’ve got the medical power of attorney and that’s it.” So we thought our hands were tied, Glenn. A week goes by. Last Thursday my uncle and my mother independently started thinking, “this is wrong.” Since I used to be on Capitol Hill as a senior staff guy in Washington, I know my way around, so they said, “Kenny, get involved see what you can find out, we want to bring May to UAB hospital.” So I call hospice, I say to Frita the hospice nurse. I said, “what are my aunt’s vital stats at. She said, “well today, her blood pressure is 160/88 with a pulse of 84.” I said, “well that’s not so bad.” I said, “my aunt’s going to make it, isn’t she.” She says, “Oh no, your aunt’s not going to make it because we have withheld nourishment per geth…Beth Gaddy since March 28th.” She said, “I’ve been off the past few days. I’m surprised your aunt’s still alive.” I said, “What!”

Next time, I, she says, “call the hospice attorney.” I called Carol Todd, hospice attorney, ug, said “we’re going to be litigious.” She said, “let me check into it. Heard nothing all day, last Thursday, March 31st until 4 in the afternoon. Carol Todd called me up, “Oh my God, we made a mistake.” I said, “What are you talking about, mistake?” She said, “Beth has power of attorney, but it’s only financial, not medical durable power of attorney. And guess what? Your aunt has a living will and it says only should fluids and nourishment be withheld if she’s comatose or vegetative, she’s neither.”

I said, “Guess what, Mother, get on the phone.” Mom got on the phone. She said, “start IV fluids immediately.” They said, “we can do that.” She said, “start a temporary feeding tube just in the nose to give her nourishment and get her electrolytes back up so she can start feeding herself.” They said, “We can’t do that, you’ve gotta come in and sign the papers.” So, uh, Mom stayed here because she’s a little sick. My uncle Buddy, Aunt May’s brother and I went, the three hours from our homes to LaGrange, Georgia from our homes in Alabama. Hospice attorney Carol Todd was to meet us at 10 o’clock. She didn’t show up and the hospice head nurse talked to us, “oh, she needs to die. You know, the life’s over, no quality of life.”

And finally, we listened to this for about an hour and a half, and I said, “This is B.S. We want my aunt out of here now. I have world-class doctor Raed Agel of UAB’s cardiovascular unit arranging life-saver helicopter.” They kept inching us on out, Glenn, until Carol Todd the hospice attorney showed up and gave us a piece of paper. Turns out hospice had told Beth Gaddy the granddaughter that we were coming over, that she no longer had durable power of attorney and she went before the probate judge that morning and got a temporary emergency guardianship.

(snip)

Glenn: Oh, I gotta tell you, you can go to all the law schools, you say everybody on the Supreme Court, everybody on the 11th circuit court, everybody down in Florida, they all passed the bar and I gotta tell you man. Just because you went to school and, and passed the bar and you are an attorney and then you become a judge, doesn’t mean that you have common sense. I’m sick of these judges, man, sick to death of these judges. So let me ask you, did they put, did they, so they didn’t put the feeding tube back in. Was she, did, uh, did, how long has she been without food and water?

Ken: No, but they did have an IV in that we ordered on last Thursday and it was in her Friday, April 1st. But when the hospice person gave us this emergency decree from the probate judge, they took the IV liquids out right in front of us.

(snip)

Glenn: But, how much, how much time does she have?

Ken: That’s why I couldn’t wait on this compromise. It was supposed to be 24 hours from Monday. I waited all the way till Thursday. But how much time does she have? I don’t know. Because she’s 81 and the worst thing about it, you know, it’s bad that she’s not getting adequate nourishment or adequate fluids, but this is a little thing that, that may not mean anything to anybody but me or my aunt. But she, she has glaucoma. She can’t produce tears. She has to take drops to keep her eyes lubricated. She hasn’t had those drops in the last two weeks. She’s blind practically now. Opening her eyes is, is a terrible pain. And they won’t give her the drops.

(snip)

You can read the entire interview here:

http://www.aclearvoice.org/archives/2005/04/transcript_of_g.php


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: feedingtube; glennbeck; hospice; kenmullinax; maemagouirk; magouirk; terrischiavo
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To: RGSpincich

I asked you a question on #106. Why are you so upset that a little old lady is now in hospital receiving the care she needs?


121 posted on 04/10/2005 10:52:10 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: schmelvin
How would you like it if you had appendicitis, but instead of being given an appendectomy, the hospital neglected to treat you and sent you to a hospice instead?

By the time Grandma's story hit FR, she had been receiving nourishment and it was already decided that she was going to Alabama. All the chest thumping was Mullinax getting himself some attention. He is a campaign/media guy for the Democrats in Alabama you know.

122 posted on 04/10/2005 10:53:11 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Fred Nerks
I don't like people coming onto this forum and treating us like country bumpkins. Mullinax played you guys like a bad fiddle. This matter was decided between the family last Monday.

Let me know when Mae wakes up and thanks Mullinax. Aorta dissection often causes severe brain damage. Her directive may be vague on terminology but the granddaughter has been the closest one to her. Their conversations on end of life issues were likely guiding Gaddy. She tried to do what Grandma wanted but had the good sense to give up when confronted with certain legal expenses. Again, that was last Monday.

123 posted on 04/10/2005 11:07:45 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

So what you are saying is, the entire situation was a matter of money?


124 posted on 04/10/2005 11:18:03 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: mother22wife21

Transcript of Glenn Beck Interview with Ken Mullinax:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1381143/posts


125 posted on 04/10/2005 11:29:11 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Fred Nerks wrote: No eye drops allowed for an old lady with glaucoma?""


I just shook my head when reading about the eye drops. Those hospice workers are not any form of angels, other than Angels of Death. This is just another example of the ridiculous BS about the so called painless death, George Felos loves to talk about, while his snake tongue twirls around his lips.

Precious Terri was tortured beyond belief by those ghouls, as was Mae Mullinax. So glad she was saved for now. Hope the grand-daughter doesn't get another chance to do it again. They don't give up easy.. ie.. Michael Schiavo/Felos.


126 posted on 04/10/2005 11:44:22 PM PDT by Pepper777 (HOSPICE = HEMLOCK SOCIETY)
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To: Pepper777

More info on the story of Miss Mae:

http://straightupwsherri.blogspot.com/2005/04/more-info-on-story-of-miss-mae.html


127 posted on 04/11/2005 12:08:14 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Proud to be an Aussie.)
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To: Wneighbor

It's one of the leading cardiologist hospitals in the country. Also one of the top teaching hospitals as well.


128 posted on 04/11/2005 4:22:09 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: t2buckeye

They were great with my grandmother as well. All the nurses were very caring.


129 posted on 04/11/2005 4:24:06 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks for the information.


130 posted on 04/11/2005 4:24:59 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: eeevil conservative; Fred Nerks
OH MY GOSH! I will try this.. JUST FOR YOU!

Be careful, now, Fred.....you may end up having a monster on your hands! : )

131 posted on 04/11/2005 4:56:30 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: schmelvin; BykrBayb
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104009/

lol In the movie Cool World, there is a scene where detective Frank Harris is in a nightclub setting. The telephone speaks and in one scene it's dashing around the club frantically yelling, "FRANK, FRRRAANNK, FRANK, FRRRAAAANNNKKKK!!!"

What you wrote Schmelvin made me crack up laughing thinking of her phone chasing her around the house, yelling, "Beth, Beettthhhh, BETH!" all night.

132 posted on 04/11/2005 5:24:38 AM PDT by mother22wife21 ( "My super power is dancing" -my five year old daughter)
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To: Fred Nerks; eeevil conservative

No, I don't think our bubbly eeevil one did!! I almost choked on my toast. LOL. My brain immediatly said, "whoa, hold on there pilgrim " in this John Wayne voice. I think perhaps it was meant for another poster??


133 posted on 04/11/2005 6:01:09 AM PDT by mother22wife21 ( "My super power is dancing" -my five year old daughter)
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To: eeevil conservative

*waving hands in the air*

OH! please, please, Misses Eeevil, add me to your ping list.
LOL!
Looks like ya done good!!


134 posted on 04/11/2005 6:03:30 AM PDT by mother22wife21 ( "My super power is dancing" -my five year old daughter)
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To: supercat
The sound you are hearing is:

TWO HANDS CLAPPING.

That was AWESOME!!

135 posted on 04/11/2005 6:06:50 AM PDT by mother22wife21 ( "My super power is dancing" -my five year old daughter)
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To: eeevil conservative

Way to GO!! I'm still working on colors. Just graduated out of the Primary ones! LOL. What a cute baby pup.AWWWW, He or she looks soooo soft.


136 posted on 04/11/2005 6:11:34 AM PDT by mother22wife21 ( "My super power is dancing" -my five year old daughter)
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To: Fred Nerks; RGSpincich
That's my assesment too.

RGSpincich:I think you showed up to yank on some chains here.

137 posted on 04/11/2005 6:14:28 AM PDT by mother22wife21 ( "My super power is dancing" -my five year old daughter)
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To: mother22wife21; nicmarlo; Fred Nerks; Brad's Gramma; Pegita; floriduh voter; Ohioan from Florida; ..
URGENT! Please spread the word! - Via email Dear Pro-Life Leaders, I have received an urgent notice from one of my fellow diocesan pro-life leaders. Please pray for this newborn and that he/she will find a good home. Anything you can do to help will be appreciated. Read on. Nick Silverio of Safe Haven for Newborns in Florida has asked that we spread the word of a disabled newborn in need of adoption. The child, born today, has no arms, only one leg, and is missing a good portion of his jaw - but his prognosis is good. The baby was abandoned by his mother under the Florida Safe Haven law and, unless potential adoptive parents can be found, quickly, the child will become a ward of the state (and, it is feared, the target of euthanasia). The Florida Department of Children and Families will not become involved unless information is obtained that may suggest some type of abuse or neglect (which is not evident at this time). Catholic Charities in Florida is not currently able to assist with adoption services. Please forward this information on to any agency, organization or individual that may be able to assist in locating interested potential adoptive parents. Nick's cell phone number is 786-246-1304 and the his web site is savehaven. It has been my experience in the very recent past that adoptive parents for disabled infants have been found through the efforts of pro-life people who simply made the need known via e-mail. Please pray for this baby and his biological mother as well. Thanks! Andrea Albanese Respect Life Coordinator Diocese of Arlington 703.205.1217 sanctafamilia@pngusa.net
138 posted on 04/11/2005 6:45:31 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (Don't Change Minds, Change Lives! Sherri Reese)
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To: Pepper777; Fred Nerks
Hope the grand-daughter doesn't get another chance to do it again. They don't give up easy.. ie.. Michael Schiavo/Felos.

Yes, as Fred Nerks pointed out, there are people who are so defensive about having made the "tough decision" to starve/dehydrate one of their own non-terminally ill relatives to death, they insist we all must agree it was The Right Thing to Do.

Their greatest fear must be to see the patient recover enough to vocalize.

Hence they become dead-set, so to speak, on "seeing it through to the end."

Perhaps Beth Gaddy will be deterred by the negative publicity, however. It's not too late for her to back off -- though it was for Michael Schiavo after Judge Greer put the state's imprimatur on Terri's "wish" to die in 2000.

139 posted on 04/11/2005 6:59:38 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: shhrubbery!; Fred Nerks
Yes, as Fred Nerks pointed out, there are people who are so defensive about having made the "tough decision" to starve/dehydrate one of their own non-terminally ill relatives to death, they insist we all must agree it was The Right Thing to Do.

Somewhat reminds me of the fervor and strident way that the Homosexual Lobby insists that they have no choice and it is a natural and healthy alternative lifestyle. I guess starvation/dehydration is a natural painless alternative deathstyle.

140 posted on 04/11/2005 7:14:24 AM PDT by mother22wife21 ( "My super power is dancing" -my five year old daughter)
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