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Teacher forces preschooler to relieve herself in front of other students
WBIR (NBC-10 Knoxville) ^ | 4/7/5 | Jennifer Geiger , Producer

Posted on 04/07/2005 10:50:56 AM PDT by SmithL

A Knox County teacher is back on the job after making a pre-school student relieve herself in a bucket in front of other students.

It happened in early March to a little girl at the Sam E. Hill Family Community Center.

Sheila Knight was put on leave while the school system looked into the allegations.

DCS also investigated and found no evidence of abuse.

Knight later admitted to the accusations, called it "a severe lapse in judgment," and got a strong written reprimand. School officials say that was the strongest punishment allowed at the time.

Knight, who has worked for Knox County Schools for almost 20 years, is back on the job.

The student is in another classroom.


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To: news2me
If you are fortunate enough to be able to raise your children on one income then you are lucky indeed.

There's no such thing as luck. If a married couple wants to put forth the effort to get by on the husband's income then it can be done, I don't care who they are (assuming that the husband is not severely handicapped).

People make choices every day of their lives and oftentimes those choices have selfish overtones.
81 posted on 04/07/2005 12:35:27 PM PDT by politicket
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To: SF Republican; politicket
"I'm not asking you to buy anything..."

Yes you did...earlier you said "If you would like to send us enough money to pay our San Francisco mortgage, I am sure she would be happy to stay home."

Now I'm sure you were being facitious, but still, you indicated in that post that it was a monetary reason why your wife was working, not the personal value of starting your child on an early education. Politicket was responding to your monetary concern, which doesn't hold much water, because there are much less expensive places to live and if your wife wanted to stay home with the kids, you could find them.

Now let me say, I'm not critisizing you for whatever choice you've made. I am just pointing out you changed your story, when you attacked Politicket for "telling you how to raise your children."

82 posted on 04/07/2005 12:36:12 PM PDT by 2Jedismom (http://kimsbug.blogspot.com/)
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To: politicket

What would we do without people here telling others how they should arrange their lives? And it is sooo thoughtful of you to do so without even waiting to be asked.


83 posted on 04/07/2005 12:39:50 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Bella_Bru
And I'm sure you will find parents in Kentucky that cannot live on one parent's salary. Open up your wallet and give them welfare if you are so inclined. Just don't ask me to do so.

Due to the fact that you are #1 - Not married, and #2 - Don't have children, I would offer up the opinion that you don't understand the wide variety of issues and situations that we are discussing on this thread. There is much wisdom in regards to these areas that comes from actual experience.

Any married couple can make it on a husband's income if so inclined. I would challenge you to give me one example of a family where the father is both sane and not severely handicapped that absolutely cannot survive on his income.
84 posted on 04/07/2005 12:40:44 PM PDT by politicket
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To: justshutupandtakeit
What would we do without people here telling others how they should arrange their lives? And it is sooo thoughtful of you to do so without even waiting to be asked.

Do you know how tired I get of hearing that? The folks on this forum that cannot support their positions from a biblical perspective are reduced to shooting the messenger that delivers the message.
85 posted on 04/07/2005 12:43:09 PM PDT by politicket
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To: hsmomx3

The majority of people don't know enough to teach others even children. Then there are the recent horror stories of starvation, torture performed by the darkside of home "schooling" which uses that as an excuse to keep the children out of the sight of the public so as to hide the abuse. So trying to paint the entire phenomenon as though it was ALL FReepers or other conscientious parents is a bit too much.

And the costs of all doing this would be staggering even if all were successful.


86 posted on 04/07/2005 12:43:57 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: 2Jedismom

You are correct, I was being flippant with the mortgage payment remark. My wife works because she wants to, we probably could and have lived on one salary for a period but we would prefer to have our children in school at a very young age (my wife is a third generation teacher and feels if they can walk and talk they can be in school). I do not want people to think we are abandoning our children to school just so we can enjoy a nice lifestyle. We feel we can teach them morals and ethics at home. But we also feel having them start their education as early as possible is very important. Again, we are doing what we feel is best for our children.


87 posted on 04/07/2005 12:44:38 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: 2Jedismom

Good point!


88 posted on 04/07/2005 12:45:08 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SF Republican
Lycee Peruse, Ashbury St., San Francisco, Calif.

Well, we're at a stalemate on this one since I was not able to find this school via Yahoo or Google.
89 posted on 04/07/2005 12:46:26 PM PDT by politicket
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To: SmithL
The student is in another classroom.

Boy howdy, I'll bet that sure spared her years of ridicule at the hands of the same kids she'll see for years!

90 posted on 04/07/2005 12:49:49 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: writmeister
"DD" is usually shorthand for "dear daughter".

Oh, I must have completely misunderstood that E-mail that I deleted, thinking it was spam.
; )

91 posted on 04/07/2005 12:50:05 PM PDT by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: politicket

http://lelycee.org/top_pages/index.en.php


92 posted on 04/07/2005 12:50:10 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: SmithL

Honestly, a fit punishment would be to have the teacher urinate on stage in the auditorium in front of an SRO crowd of children and their parents!

And people wonder why more and more people are making other provisions for their kids' education.


93 posted on 04/07/2005 12:51:14 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: politicket

It is interesting to note that your tendency to pay attention to other peoples' business has earned other justified repremands.

There is no "message" here just a busybody sticking a nose in where it isn't needed.

Nor is there anything unBiblical about parents adopting the work patterns necessary for them. Maybe you are unaware of the vast changes in social patterns, economic development and technological needs since 800 BC. Hint: we aren't shepards anymore nor do we have polygymous marriages or Kings. But we CAN read now and we DO have money neither of which was available during Mose's day particularly for the commoner.

Who do you think you are the "messenger" of? Busybody Central?


94 posted on 04/07/2005 12:51:41 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: SmithL

A written reprimand!! Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark.


95 posted on 04/07/2005 12:51:44 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: SF Republican
we are doing what we feel is best for our children.

Very well stated. I suspected this was the case.

96 posted on 04/07/2005 12:51:59 PM PDT by 2Jedismom (http://kimsbug.blogspot.com/)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Then there are the recent horror stories of starvation, torture performed by the darkside of home "schooling" which uses that as an excuse to keep the children out of the sight of the public so as to hide the abuse

Oh please! There are just as many stories of abuse at schools. Those people who are abusing their children while supposedly homeschooling them were doing it when their kids were IN school, and in most cases were already known to the child welfare agencies.

It's just the media's attempt to paint all homeschoolers as right wing Christian odd balls who have no business teaching their kids. What's interesting is that there are just as many homeschoolers who are NOT doing it for religious reasons, but you rarely hear about them.

As for your contention that most people don't know enough to teach their kids, just how much to you have to know to teach a child to read? Not much. It's fairly easy to teach a child their math facts.

When the kids get older, and they've moved into subjects about which their parents know little, they can either teach themselves ( like our daughter did with Japanese), or we can hire tutors, the kids can take co-op classes with other homeschoolers, or attend a Community College, as our daughter is doing for Chemistry and Physics so she can have access to good labs.

97 posted on 04/07/2005 12:52:02 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SmithL

The only severe lapse in judgment is keeping this lunatic on payroll.


98 posted on 04/07/2005 12:52:44 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The majority of people don't know enough to teach others even children. Then there are the recent horror stories of starvation, torture performed by the darkside of home "schooling" which uses that as an excuse to keep the children out of the sight of the public so as to hide the abuse. So trying to paint the entire phenomenon as though it was ALL FReepers or other conscientious parents is a bit too much.

There are crimes committed against children by a wide variety of sickos in this world. Those caught and found guilty by a jury of their peers should be severely punished. Agree?

Now, let's get to this "majority" of people who don't know enough to teach their own children. Have you looked at any test results lately? Here is a link that you might be interested in. It shows the statistical evidence of homeschool academic superiority over public schools: Mash Here
99 posted on 04/07/2005 12:52:56 PM PDT by politicket
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I always hated it when our teachers ordered us to drop drawers in front of the class and go in a bucket.
/sarcasm

What kind of idiocy has gripped these people? This is NOT an appropriate "punishment," no matter what the child did.


100 posted on 04/07/2005 12:53:09 PM PDT by GretchenM (Dispense true justice and practice kindness and compassion to one another. Zech.7:9)
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