Posted on 04/07/2005 8:55:52 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper
LOL-LOL-LOL.
Perfect!
What parts of it?
Oh, you mean the stuff about helping the poor? Yeah, that's a horrible thing to teach. We all know that the poor are poor because they aren't the "elect".
We view this quite differently. I find it rather Holy and quite beautiful.
I always notice that those who are against the verneration of Mary do not seem to understand the absolute difference between worship and veneration.
I am Orthodox. We praise and venerate the Holy Mother of God (Theotokis) above ALL women but we do not put her above the Holy Trinity that is God himself. Due to Mary's role as the chosen vessel in which the Christ miraculously came unto this world, she is afforded the respect, admiration and veneration she deserves. She accepted this with humility and Grace and is deserving of the praise given to her.
To say that reading the Pope's passages which refer to the Mother of God give you "satanic borne chills" is quite extreme and IMHO rather insulting to not only the Holy Virgin who bore the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, upon this earth but to Christ Himself...
My prayers are with you, FRiend...
In the same way the wedding guests at Cana entrusted the supply of wine to her - the greatest intercessor before her Son.
We're all wedding guests at the marriage of our souls to Christ. Mary pleads on your behalf before her Son whether you're aware of it or not.
Jesus is the door to God, no other way.
No one said she's the door for you to enter heaven through, but she was certainly the gate through which Christ entered the world. The ark of the covenant which bore the presence of God in the Old Testament was constructed in painful precision. It had to be perfect to carry the presence of God. Explain how Mary could carry the Savior with any less perfection that a wooden crate carrying the Ten Commandments? It's theologically impossible, and to say otherwise implies that Christ was not the Word made Flesh that commanded equal if not greater care than the 10 Commandments, but just some other god that could be carted around in some dilapidated container...
Not meaning to get us to far afield here but...
***We don't worship her (only God can be worshipped)***
Then what do people who are "worshiping" false gods do? False worship, the true worship of God and Marian veneration all look exactly the same from the outside - the manin thing that differs is the object of worship.
***she is the mother of the Church and thus the mother of us all***
She isn't the mother of the church, she's a member of it. The Heavenly Jerusalem, the true Church is the mother of us all...
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." - Gal 4:26
***No she was human, but by God's special grace--sinless.***
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
"The Pope put his trust in the wrong person."
Catholics DO NOT worship Mary. Catholics DO NOT worship saints. We se them as intermediaries. It irkes me so much when people who know nothing about Roman Catholicism other than their preconceived notions about it and what they hear in the MSM about recent scandals start going off about how we worship Mary as another 'god'. She is not and we do not.
"Don't feed the trolls folks, they dirty up these threads with dissension and strife. If that doesn't explain their purpose, nothing will."
Threads about the Pope or anything Catholic bring out some of the most despicable behavior I have seen on FR. It is usually the same suspects over and over. No amount of admonishing them does any good. It is all about being more 'Christian' than the Catholics (of which I am one). Remember, you can't be more 'Christian' than them, because they say they are.
Rant off.
That's him? Wild. Why did they do that? Reminds me of Lenin's body on display.
"Maybe if you read the Bible instead of listening to a mere man you'd know what God finds repulsive."
And God has no problem with your lack of humility, your haste to judge people you don't know, and your caustic tone?
I'm a Jews and I'd take take any info about Christianity from the Pope over the self proclaimed pastors at FR.
That would be Jew, not Jews. I normally don't talk about my multiple personalities in public. LOL.
Not a word revealed, about the "secret" Cardinal; not even confirmation of his existence.
Why burn all of his personal notes?
ANYone who puts their faith in Jesus' atoning death and His ressurection from the dead will NOT be disappointed. Those who accept it are found pleasing to the Father because Jesus is and always will be pleasing to the Father, and those who trust him are IN CHRIST. There will be no one in hell saying "I asked Jesus to save me, and I ended up here." There will be lots of people in heaven who had struggles here on earth, who had some doctrinal beliefs that were askew, but the blood of Jesus makes all who call upon him acceptable to the Father. That is why the Gospel is so RADICAL. The religious folks of the 1st century thought you had to be born from a certain ancestor or live up to a set of rules.
Blessed John XXIII was moved above ground when John Paul II Beatified him. It's one step closer to sainthood.
On Jan. 16, 2001, Cardinal Sodano, Secretary of State of the Holy See; Cardinal Noe, Archpriest of St. Peter’s Basilica; and Leonardo Sandri, opened the tomb of Blessed Pope John XXIII, who was beatified on Sept. 3, 2000. (Blessed Pope John XXIIII died on June 3, 1962.)
The identification of the mortal remains is part of the normal canonization process. The mortal remains of Blessed Pope John XXIII were to be transferred from their present tomb in the crypt beneath St. Peter’s to a new tomb upstairs in the basilica itself at the altar honoring St. Jerome. Pope John Paul II ordered the transferal to affirm the holiness of the late pontiff and to enable the faithful to more easily venerate him.
http://www.catholicherald.com/saunders/01ws/ws010517.htm
As a Christian...
What kind of Christian are you exactly?
"Christian" is a word easily thrown around....applied to people that have no clue who Christ is. Can you please clarify for me where you stand? I'll search the thread for other responses from you.
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