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Look out for giant triangles in space
New Scientist ^ | 04/09/5 | Marcus Chown

Posted on 04/06/2005 7:25:34 PM PDT by KevinDavis

Instead of listening for alien radio broadcasts, a better strategy for SETI might be to look for giant structures placed in orbit around nearby stars THE search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) could be taking the wrong approach. Instead of listening for alien radio broadcasts, a better strategy may be to look for giant structures placed in orbit around nearby stars by alien civilisations.

"Artificial structures may be the best way for an advanced extraterrestrial civilisation to signal its presence to an emerging technology like ours," says Luc Arnold of the Observatory of Haute-Provence in France. And he believes that the generation of space-based telescopes now being designed will be able to spot them.

Arnold has studied the capabilities of space-based telescopes such as the European Space Agency's forthcoming Corot telescope and NASA's Kepler. These instruments will look for the telltale dimming of a star's light when a planet passes in front of it. They could also identify an artificial object the size of a planet, such as a lightweight solar sail, says Arnold. His work ...


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We should try different ways to find E.T.
1 posted on 04/06/2005 7:25:35 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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2 posted on 04/06/2005 7:26:33 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: KevinDavis

Looking for space structures is cheaper than those person-to-alien interplanetary calls (especially with the roaming charges).


3 posted on 04/06/2005 7:29:33 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: Army Air Corps; All

That is true..


4 posted on 04/06/2005 7:31:38 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Army Air Corps
You could also look for signs of extra-terrestrial mining operations, and I don't mean tiny ones.

Our inner planets are missing all or part of what should be a light metal shell (most likely in the form of calcium and phosphorus compounds). In fact, two of them, Mercury and Venus, seem to have had it removed entirely while Earth seems to have escaped with just under half of what it had.

Then there's a ring of calcum carbonate debris between Mars and Jupiter ~ it's orbiting there just like it was a shipment awaiting pickup.

We can go on from there in examining Earth to see if there's any other kinds of evidence of large scale planet mining.

5 posted on 04/06/2005 7:35:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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a better strategy for SETI

ACK! Will I have to download a new SETI program??

SETI FReepers

6 posted on 04/06/2005 7:38:24 PM PDT by Flyer ( http://dahtcom.com)
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To: muawiyah
Indeed. Seriously, there are so many by products that we could keep in mind as we scan the heavens. Who knows what sort of space junk other civilisations may have floating about various planetary bodies. Also, asteroid belts would be good places to examine because of the likelihood of mining evidence and miscellaneous spacecraft debris.
7 posted on 04/06/2005 7:44:38 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: Flyer; Slings and Arrows

Proud to say I'm #40. About to clean "Slings and Arrows" clock I am....


8 posted on 04/06/2005 7:44:43 PM PDT by Drango (tag line under repair)
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To: Drango

Catch me if ya can!

;-)


9 posted on 04/06/2005 7:46:49 PM PDT by Flyer ( http://dahtcom.com)
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To: KevinDavis

Didn't Fox Mulder figure out that they were really robot cockroaches?


10 posted on 04/06/2005 7:53:34 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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The asteroid belts themselves may be symptomatic of wholesale planet stripping.

We could go looking for residue left behind where massive carbon fiber cables were used to connect orbiting space "mining stations" to activities on the ground.

These are probably pretty easy to manufacture and install from space, but after a few hundred million years they'd probably fall to the surface of the planet, turn to tar, and soak in.

BTW, all of Earth's major hydrocarbon deposits occur along what was the equator about 2 billion years ago.

There may well be other artifacts that give us an idea of how the calcium carbonate ore was kicked into orbits further out. For example, the miners could have built a boom arm with a pivot point on the Moon to help launch ore out to the Asteroid belt.

What kind of evidence would there be of that? One might be a very deep circular crater at the North or South pole of the Moon.

We know that the deepest crater found so far in the Solar System is smack dead center at the Moon's South Pole.

11 posted on 04/06/2005 7:54:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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We should try different ways to find E.T.

I wish they would try searching for intelligent life on this planet first.

As for searching for aliens, I'm not so sure it's a good idea to be broadcasting our presence all over the universe. As my friend, DWSUWF used to say, earth could be in one of the slum neighboorhoods of the universe.

12 posted on 04/06/2005 7:58:26 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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planet stripping.

EARTH FIRST
Well strip mine the other planets later

13 posted on 04/06/2005 8:00:17 PM PDT by Drango (tag line under repair)
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We know that the deepest crater found so far in the Solar System is smack dead center at the Moon's South Pole

Maybe we can ask the Chinese to look for us once they establish their moon base in a few years.

We could trade them some paper for this task, since that's about the only thing this country produces anymore. Paperwork.

14 posted on 04/06/2005 8:00:25 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: KevinDavis

Makes a lot of sense... Whenever I want to signal my presence to an emerging technology, I always do it by placing a giant structre in orbit around a nearby star...


15 posted on 04/06/2005 8:07:08 PM PDT by The Electrician
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To: Mulder

Naw, we got plenty of spare lawyers. We could send them a few hundred thousand. Bet they'd be a lot of use on the Chinese moonbase.


16 posted on 04/06/2005 8:09:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: KevinDavis

If they are using spread spectrum tech it wouldn't matter what band they use. We would see or hear nothing of interest.


17 posted on 04/06/2005 8:10:19 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: Quix

FYI


18 posted on 04/06/2005 8:14:54 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: KevinDavis

Is this a Ringworld Ping???


19 posted on 04/06/2005 8:18:51 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies! (Made from the finest girlscouts!))
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To: Drango
EARTH FIRST
Well strip mine the other planets later

Hehe. I've always liked that. :-) On a serious note though, if the envoronmentalist wackos really wanted to be useful, they coul put their support fully behind us getting into space. The asteroid belt is ready-made for extensive mining operations. I'd love to see that get started before I pass on, but I don't see it happening any time this century.

20 posted on 04/06/2005 8:22:52 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies! (Made from the finest girlscouts!))
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