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To: what's up
Just a quick glance at the website. I would presume that they are all on the up and up, but can't vouch for it (this is the internet afterall). But if so, my previous posts to you should, at least, give a better understanding of the concept that not all prayers translate automatically to giving worship to one of God's creatures. The worship of adoration is due God alone. The honor of veneration is scripturally acceptable and warranted for Holy Saints who have been redeemed by Christ, whereas this veneration translates to the greater Glory of God.

Of all creatures, the honor due Mary is preeminent since it was through her freely spoken fiat that Christ came to us. This was all part of God's plan of Redemption through the Incarnation of Christ before the foundation of creation. Our honor of her is to the greater Glory of God, her (and our) Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifier. She is our spiritual Mother to boot!

75 posted on 04/06/2005 2:18:02 AM PDT by TotusTuus (Christos Voskrese!)
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To: TotusTuus
since it was through her freely spoken fiat that Christ came to us

Ah..so Christ came through Mary's word, eh? Funny, I thought God sent Him.

Sorry...you seem full of contradictions. First you say Catholics only pray "with" Mary, then you admit that they actually ask for her help which is not praying "with" but "to" her.

Then you actually say that Christ came through Mary's word, even though trying to deny that you grant her undue esteem.

Lots of twists and turns.

78 posted on 04/06/2005 2:28:40 AM PDT by what's up
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To: TotusTuus; xzins
Of all creatures, the honor due Mary is preeminent since it was through her freely spoken fiat that Christ came to us. This was all part of God's plan of Redemption through the Incarnation of Christ before the foundation of creation. Our honor of her is to the greater Glory of God, her (and our) Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifier. She is our spiritual Mother to boot!

You mean when she said be it unto me according to thy word.

Sounds like she was believing God's message, unlike Zacharias.

Moreover, as someone who was suppose to be sinless, she still had to make an offering for her own sins (Lk.2:22 cf Ex.12:8)

82 posted on 04/06/2005 2:37:26 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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