[shoffma1999]

I doubt the statistic would change. And I seriously doubt that the pitbulls would lose - because most gun owners are responsible individuals that would train there dogs. Sure the pure numbers would go up because there would be more pitbulls, and occasionally there would be a bad and irresponsible owner, but it wouldn't be the norm. Further, I wouldn't be afraid of going into a kennel with any dog you put in one, except for a dog with a health problem - such as rabies. Then I would be a little worried. Otherwise you just have to know what to do and what not to do. Further, saying that because a dog can think makes it more unpredictable is not exactly correct. A dog can be trained to do virtually anything on command. Just do some research on clicker training. Dogs can be made to be incredibly predictable - down to every move they make in a day if that is what the owner wants, and will devout time to achieving it

[jrawk]

All great points about dog training and stuff. But you dodged my questions. You must choose one kennel. You can't choose both, one and only one. You seem well versed in dog breeds, and indicate a high level of confidence in your knowledge of dogs and their behaviors. So put that to use and choose one kennel each week. You see this little thought experiment really boils down to your confidence in the breed. Which is a point a lot people are making, that they have none. Those people, most people, given the same choice would choose to go into the kennel with a whole lot of breeds before pit bull. Since you are defending the pit bull I want to know how far you are willing to go with that? Will you choose the pit bull kennel week after week and knowingly, (you seem credible and knowlegable about dogs, I mentioned that already) put yourself at risk?

So I wask again and for fun I want to add a modifier to illustrate the weakness of the gun comparison.

I will now build a third kennel. In the third kennel sits a gun. You do not know who trained the gun, or who owns the gun. You may or may not know the breed of the gun. It is just sitting there. Which kennel will you enter week after week?

The one with a strange pit bull?

The one with a different strange breed?

The one with the gun? (I am choosing this kennel btw)

I also asked the question which breeds are you hoping are in kennel A?

Lastly since the whole world isn't the dog whisperer like yourself I will ask you which kennel do you think most people posting to this forum would choose to go into? (I bet the gun kennel)

For a whole lot of fun, which kennel would you go into with your 6 year old child in your arms? (still the gun kennel for me)

Remember you must choose to go into one of the kennels, only one. Answers like I would go into any are answers to a different question I didn't ask and may indicate you realize answering will either clearly make my point.

For your gun argument I will simply reverse it. You say all gun owners are likely responsible dog trainers, I will say all pit bull owners are likely gun owners. I wonder what the stats are on gun accidents with pit bull owners vs pit bull accidents with gun owners? You will probably answer guns with no evidence as I will answer pit bulls with no evidence. There for my questions above are really more important.

-- lates
-- jrawk