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To: shoffma1999

All great points about dog training and stuff. But you dodged my questions. You must choose one kennel. You can't choose both, one and only one. You seem well versed in dog breeds, and indicate a high level of confidence in your knowledge of dogs and their behaviors. So put that to use and choose one kennel each week. You see this little thought experiment really boils down to your confidence in the breed. Which is a point a lot people are making, that they have none. Those people, most people, given the same choice would choose to go into the kennel with a whole lot of breeds before pit bull. Since you are defending the pit bull I want to know how far you are willing to go with that? Will you choose the pit bull kennel week after week and knowingly, (you seem credible and knowlegable about dogs, I mentioned that already) put yourself at risk?

So I wask again and for fun I want to add a modifier to illustrate the weakness of the gun comparison.

I will now build a third kennel. In the third kennel sits a gun. You do not know who trained the gun, or who owns the gun. You may or may not know the breed of the gun. It is just sitting there. Which kennel will you enter week after week?

The one with a strange pit bull?

The one with a different strange breed?

The one with the gun? (I am choosing this kennel btw)

I also asked the question which breeds are you hoping are in kennel A?

Lastly since the whole world isn't the dog whisperer like yourself I will ask you which kennel do you think most people posting to this forum would choose to go into? (I bet the gun kennel)

For a whole lot of fun, which kennel would you go into with your 6 year old child in your arms? (still the gun kennel for me)

Remember you must choose to go into one of the kennels, only one. Answers like I would go into any are answers to a different question I didn't ask and may indicate you realize answering will either clearly make my point.

For your gun argument I will simply reverse it. You say all gun owners are likely responsible dog trainers, I will say all pit bull owners are likely gun owners. I wonder what the stats are on gun accidents with pit bull owners vs pit bull accidents with gun owners? You will probably answer guns with no evidence as I will answer pit bulls with no evidence. There for my questions above are really more important.

-- lates
-- jrawk


206 posted on 04/05/2005 9:44:09 AM PDT by jrawk (trust but verify)
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To: jrawk

By myself I would probably go into the kennel with the pitbull - because I like them a lot. Thus, I enjoy being around them in general.

In kennel A I would actually hope for an American Bulldog or Rottweiler - because these are my two favorite type of breeds. Then I would go into kennel A because I like those two breeds better than pitbulls.

If I had my 6 year old child in my arms I would go into whatever kennel the child wanted to go into - so long as I thought it was safe. This may not be the specific answer you are looking for, but I would not blindly go into any place with my 6 year old child. I would always assure I believed it was safe, or that I could negate any danger. If my child wanted to go into the kennel with the pitbull I would be no more prone to not allow it than I would be to not allow going into the other kennels. DIfferent situations call for independent and critical analysis.

Further, most of the people on this site would probably either go into Kennel A with some cute small dog, or the Kennel with the gun depending on their interest in firearms. The pitbull is a very divisive breed and the tendency is that people generally love them or hate them, there is generally not someone who is indifferent.

I agree that many people who own pitbulls are alos gun owners, but they are likley the irresponsible gun owners. I would venture a guess it is pretty even in both accidental and deliberate violent events relating to the guns and the dogs in these people's hands.

Further, about the gun kennel. There are things about certain guns that could make them inherently dangerous to children if not kept in a safe place. A gun that lacks a safety, has a hair trigger, and is fully automatic - shouldn't be left sitting around with children. Just as a dog shouldn't be left unsupervised with a child.


212 posted on 04/05/2005 10:00:14 AM PDT by shoffma1999
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