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Terri Schiavo has passed away
CNN ^ | 3/31 1005 | CNN

Posted on 03/31/2005 6:55:11 AM PST by Eurotwit

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To: general_re

the road to hell is paved with good intentions


2,661 posted on 03/31/2005 10:15:35 PM PST by The Red Zone (Go to Florida, the sun-shame state, to be schiavoed, to greer someone, and to felos a patient.)
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To: betty boop
But just because we can't get justice out of the courts doesn't mean there is no Justice. A day of reckoning lies ahead for all those complicit in the death of this innocent who was manifestly entitled to their protection.

Spot on, as usual, betty. Thank you.

My husband and I installed a fifteen-foot flagpole in our front yard in late 1980, the week Ronald Reagan was elected to his first term as President. Since then, we have flown Old Glory, day and night (lighted by a spotlight), weather permitting … twenty-five years … five different flags – each replacing the previous one when its colors faded to pink, grey, and pale blue from exposure to the sun and the elements.

We will always be indescribably proud of those incomparable acts of faith, courage, altruism, and decency that used to describe a human character and moral fiber that was somehow uniquely and wonderfully American. Even during some of our ‘darker days’ (as in the ‘90s), there were still many men in leadership positions who stood above the squalor and reminded us of our proud roots and our unique destiny … girding our collective national dignity and providing us hope that ‘this too shall pass.’

Since Ronald Reagan left office sixteen years ago, we have enjoyed sporadic proud moments as a civilization, but the general direction of our national character has been deteriorative. And, over the past few weeks, our national dignity and morality has suffered unprecedented erosion.

We lowered our flag this morning, folded it respectfully, and put it in storage. I am not proud to be an American today … or tomorrow. I am deeply proud of our military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, and dozens of other areas of the world where their strength is needed and their courage and resolve serve to instill the same in others. But our leadership here at home, with few exceptions, is self-serving, myopic, hypocrisy-plagued, cowardly, prone to grotesque monetary/power-based corruption, irresolute, lacking in vision, ignorant of and/or antagonistic toward those aspects of our history that fostered our former greatness, prone to self-defeating compromise, fiscally and morally irresponsible, oblivious to the need to assure the security of future generations, and an ever-increasing threat to excellence, personal responsibility, and individual life and liberty.

In many ways, our government has become our enemy, and the wonderful, God-centered experiment in self-governance that was once America is fast approaching extinction.

A young American woman died today. One man’s insidious personal desire to achieve her demise … combined with the increasingly illogical, tyrannical nature of what poses as ‘American justice’ … combined with the cowardice and paper-tiger incapacity of our elected representatives … combined with the ‘talk is cheap’ nature of the executive branch … all conspired to seal her tragic fate.

Over the past 140 years, Lincoln’s ‘government of the people, by the people, and for the people’ has found itself incrementally transformed into a government of the career politicians or lifetime-appointed judges, by an elite national leadership with a left-leaning anti-individual liberty agenda, and for the incremental garnering of centralized power for the state. And the people be damned (especially those whose lives, by virtue of their immaturity, disability, or longevity, are deemed expendable).

Now that Terri has succumbed to her man-made, man-ordered, man-condoned demise, those of us who still have the capacity to see the emperor without his clothes are ashamed … heartbroken … grief stricken … outraged. Her husband enjoyed the collaboration of activist judges and indolent legislators. But, if she didn’t comprehend so during her last fifteen years of life, she now knows that there are millions of her countrymen who took her into their hearts and, unlike her husband and her government, those millions prayed that, no matter the outcome of the legal wrangling, she might finally know the peace and glory that had been denied her up until today.

Strangely, any grief that we are feeling is justified, and yet somehow self-centered, in that we are grieving over what Terri’s fate portends for us all. Our self-centered grief is warranted -- even productive -- if it eventually inspires us to take a stand against those who orchestrated and perpetrated the ‘legal/judicial’ abomination we witnessed over the past few weeks.

But we need no longer grieve for Terri. She now knows a perfect peace far beyond our imagining or understanding.

Praise God.

2,662 posted on 03/31/2005 10:39:02 PM PST by joanie-f (If pro is opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress?)
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To: trussell
It was totally my fault...I asked Meek to ping for me.

It's ok, I understand
Just please in the future do not post that link.

Thanks

2,663 posted on 03/31/2005 10:42:08 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: general_re
Yes, it was - you didn't read Whittemore's ruling. It's here - start at page 4 and continue on to the end. He ran through a procedural review as a part of determining whether they had a substantial likelihood of prevailing, and hence whether an injunction should be granted.

Kindly look at my link in post 2597 which is to the federal court in question itself and tell me how different it is from your link. In any case I have read it and a review is not a de novo review. They were asking for time so that it could be reviewed. Why do you think the restraining order would be temporary? What? If they actually prove that her rights were violated they get a slightly longer restraining order?

2,664 posted on 03/31/2005 10:42:45 PM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thank you :0)


2,665 posted on 03/31/2005 10:43:43 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Monterrosa-24
"So who claimed to have taken it? What is the story? It is difficult to believe that a photo could be leaked like this?"

Not difficult at all. Probably one of the armed guards with a camera cell phone.

It DOES look like her. Note the eyebrows. Couldn't have been forteen hours before she died though. She looks too good, eyes not sunken, good skin tone.

Could have been Felos, too. Attempt to show the world how "peaceful" she really was, just fudging the timeline a bit (like a WEEK).

2,666 posted on 03/31/2005 10:45:13 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist (Terri's battle is NOT against flesh and blood....)
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To: Graymatter

Then my guard is up on this. I won't flat out say that he's part of the good old boys club, but it wouldn't surprise me.


2,667 posted on 03/31/2005 10:45:19 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Mama, take this judgeship off of Greer, he can't use it, anymore")
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To: AndrewC
Either way, you lose. Whittemore examined the procedural issues to see if she was deprived of her constitutional rights, as mandated by Congress - he determined that she had not been deprived of her constitutional rights.

Okay, you say, let's pretend that's not the de novo review Congress wanted - they wanted a whole new hearing of all the issues. One wonders why they limited it to examining whether federal rights violations occurred, but there you go - we wave our wand and probate is now magically a federal matter. Little problem now - we need an injunction, or she'll be dead long before our full-blown hearing ever gets off the ground. Trouble is, they can't meet the standard required to get that injunction. Congress could have mandated an injunction, but they didn't, so the courts had no choice but to treat it like any other request for relief, and there it fell apart.

Write your congressman - ask him why they didn't mandate statutory relief, when then knew or should have know that the failure to do so was a death sentence. Be sure to share any response you get from him with the class.

2,668 posted on 03/31/2005 10:52:02 PM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Who's Hal Turner?


2,669 posted on 03/31/2005 10:53:11 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist (Terri's battle is NOT against flesh and blood....)
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To: Sidebar Moderator; MeekOneGOP; ariamne
The picture is being hosted by another freeper with the link blacked out...actually...I think 2 different freepers are now hosting the pic.

Again... I am sorry... my excuse, though probably lame, I am terribly distressed by the events of today, and didn't pay close enough attention to the contents of that page.

My 2 biggest regrets are that I got Meek reprimanded, and I was very ungracious to another freeper who didn't deserve it. I have made a private apology to that freeper, I hope it will be accepted.
2,670 posted on 03/31/2005 10:54:24 PM PST by trussell (I am frowning today. RIP Terri, God please comfort her family. Grant them rest, and peace.)
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To: general_re

"So Congress would have you believe, anyway. They had the power to mandate that the feeding tube be put back in, in such a way that no judge could defy it, and yet they didn't do that. Why?"

The Florida legislature did exactly that, and it was ruled unconstitutional.

This is not what congresss would have me believe, this is what the activist judges decided.


2,671 posted on 03/31/2005 10:57:56 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: trussell; MeekOneGOP
My 2 biggest regrets are that I got Meek reprimanded, and I was very ungracious to another freeper who didn't deserve it.

It's ok, and no one is in trouble
We just ask that it not be posted anymore
It's been an extremely busy day trying to keep up
with all the threads.

2,672 posted on 03/31/2005 10:59:44 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: general_re
Whittemore examined the procedural issues to see if she was deprived of her constitutional rights, as mandated by Congress - he determined that she had not been deprived of her constitutional rights.

No he did not. He "predicted" the success of their claims using old data. The law "mandated"(by his own reading) a de novo review. That was the whole purpose for the TRO request. IOW "Give us time to get that review". It is ludicrous to claim that it was met, since there would be no need for a TRO if the review was accomplished. IT WAS NOT DONE.

2,673 posted on 03/31/2005 11:01:31 PM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

Congress could have mandated an injunction requiring the feeding tube be put back in pending this federal review. They do it all the time - it's called statutory relief, and courts routinely abide by it. Whether the Florida bill ran afoul of the Florida state constitution or not is irrelevant - Congress could have made it stick.


2,674 posted on 03/31/2005 11:05:38 PM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re

"Pearse presented his report, and then he was discharged. Guardian ad litem is not a permanent position, and he was never "fired".


He requested more time and was discharged.


"She is DEAD now and you want to talk about whether or not she was a criminal?

No, I am pointing out that your notion of how probate works is not correct."

Does that make her any more alive right now? How she died was by court order that she could not dispute herself, and there was no attorney there to dispute it for her. Would you like to have been her in these circumstances? Is it ok with you if a judge ignores all of your rights and just passes them off to someone else that may not care at all about you?


2,675 posted on 03/31/2005 11:05:46 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: AndrewC
He "predicted" the success of their claims using old data.

That's what the Schindlers brought him to look at, procedural claims from the state court proceedings - go look at their brief. But it doesn't matter - even if I grant that it didn't constitute the de novo review that Congress wanted, she still dies because they cannot get the injunction they need in order to make it to that de novo review. "Give us more time to gather new evidence" is not now, nor has it ever been sufficient to gain an injunction. That is not an argument that meets the standards required to gain an injunction. Period. Therefore, the only possible recourse for injunctive relief was statutory relief, which Congress failed to provide.

2,676 posted on 03/31/2005 11:10:10 PM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom
Does that make her any more alive right now?

No, it doesn't. But it does begin the process of understanding how this really happened, without which we're pretty likely to see it happen again.

2,677 posted on 03/31/2005 11:11:14 PM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re
"Give us more time to gather new evidence"

They didn't say that nor did I state that. They needed time for the de novo review. That review is due process as now defined for this situation by the law(and again as admitted by the justice). The courts failed to abide by the Constitution when they allowed the state(per order by Judge Greer) to deprive Terri of her life without due process.

2,678 posted on 03/31/2005 11:17:27 PM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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To: AndrewC
What else were they going to say? "We need more time, period" is also not an argument that buys you an injunction, and an injunction was what they needed. Congress granted a de novo review to a dead woman. Yippee. Yay for them.
2,679 posted on 03/31/2005 11:25:02 PM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re
What else were they going to say? "We need more time, period" is also not an argument that buys you an injunction, and an injunction was what they needed. Congress granted a de novo review to a dead woman. Yippee. Yay for them.

It is obvious the Constitution requires due process. That is in toto. It does not require the sanctity of an injunction. The injunction must be granted in order to achieve the due process required, required by the Constitution.

2,680 posted on 03/31/2005 11:30:18 PM PST by AndrewC (All these moments are tossed in lime, like trains in the rear.)
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