Posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:28 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.
Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.
For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called ``a showdown.''
In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.
''We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in,'' said a source with the local police.
''The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene,'' said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. ``When the sheriff's department and our department told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off.''
The incident,known only to a few and related to The Herald by three different sources involved in Thursday's events, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in Florida law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.
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Well, of course murder is right. Not only is it right, but the Constitution says we have to kill her, and neither we nor the government has any right to protect her. Didn't you read that clause? < /sarcasm >
In fact, the first time I broached the subject I made sure to exclude REFORM, APOSTOLIC and MENNONITE groups.
I'm afraid my comment went right through your empty head.
BTW, Baptists usually never give up on you even if your presence does draw undue attention. Well, actually, not "usually", it's nore like they just never give up on you.
This Greer character appears to be an exception. The pastor's words were polite, not definitive. The guy is out of there FUR SHUR.
We're just rehearsing all the points that were developed in the past week. My neighbor has bulimia. She ought to go immediately to hospice. It's over and in her best interests.
They are truly from another planet. Ive been on two threads where Felos being on the board of directors for the hospice is supposed to be some big scandal as was the rewrite of some law in 1998 that permits removal of the feeding tube. Like they have never heard of anyone that would benefit from a change in the law lobbying for such a change. Im shocked!!
Mikey is a nurse at the county jail. As a consequence he is protected from incriminating statements by his friends in ALL the local police forces.
Your antinomianism is wasted here. BTW, look it up.
Not true. The original bill was vacated because it applied to only one person, Terri Schiavo. The new bill that didnt pass applied to everyone in her condition. Totally different from a constititional standpoint. The first bill would be equivalent to changing a tax law so that it applied to everyone but you.
Mikey's future mother-in-law works at the jail (as a clerk I believe), and she, too, was hired by the former sheriff.
I figure Mikey doubted his current boss' support of his legal efforts so he had Greer "write him in" just to make sure. Then, too, the current sheriff is most likely NOT stupping Mikey's girlfriend's mother!
Otherwise, there was nothing mysterious about Greer's final order, but you have to recognize that the old sheriff, the current sheriff, Mikey's future mother-in-law, his girlfriend, and Judge Greer are ALL on a first name basis due to their EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIPS.
If she doesnt get help she will have cardiac arrest like Terri and Karen Carpenter before her.
Maybe if we get the word out that having some flesh on the bones makes people more attractive we can avoid this epidemic of needless tragedy.
agreed!
"... they sure stood tall during the Elian Gonzales case"
I don't think there's a parallel.
There were no POLICE guarding Elian when he was taken - there was only family members.
Even I don't want to see a shoot-out between police agencies .. that's just an awful scenario.
I don't know why police are even there inside the hospital [while I can understand the crowd control outside] - and who's paying for all that protection - the county? It appears to me the whole county is a hornet's nest of corruption - protecting the husband. It's going to be up to the people of FL to clean this mess up.
Still, there's an ethics problem for the lawyer in this relationship, although I doubt it bothers him, and it certainly won't bother anybody in the Florida judiciary!
They are, as it were, beyond ethics issues!
The record of her rehab seems to show efforts early on, with some improvements noted (eg Terri Schiavo responsive to reqeusts, could verbalize), but no general improvement from physical therapy. After the money came in 1993, the rehab trailed off:
http://www.theempirejournal.com/02230551_medical_observations_sh.htm
"7/10/1990 - Progress Note Dr. Baras - Purposeful movement in right upper extremity seen by P.T., O.T. and me, but not consistent. Flexing rt. Elbow not as a reflex, but voluntarily.." ...
"When a PLAINLY UNJUST law is being enforced, and its enforcement will result in the imminent death of another human being, we must not cling to legalities like a drunk to a railing."
I urge you to watch a great movie - "A Man for All Seasons", the story of St Thomas More, and his clinging to principles, even to death. One principle he clung to was the rule of law, and in the movie he explained why we NEED the law, man's law, or we would be lost. We cannot make God's law on earth without it:
...
More There is no law against that.
Roper There is! God's law!
More Then God can arrest him.
Roper Sophistication upon sophistication.
More No, sheer simplicity. The law, Roper, the law. I know what's legal not what's right. And I'll stick to what's legal.
Roper Then you set man's law above God's!
More No, far below; but let me draw your attention to a fact - I'm not God. The currents and eddies of right and wrong, which you find such plain sailing, I can't navigate. I'm no voyager. But in the thickets of the law, oh, there I'm a forrester. I doubt if there's a man alive who could follow me there, thank God....
Alice While you talk, he's gone!
More And go he should, if he was the Devil himself, until he broke the law!
Roper So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!
More Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
Roper I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
More Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you - where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted
thick with laws from coast to coast - man's laws, not God's - and if you cut them down - and you're just the man to do it - d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.
Roper I have long suspected this, this is the golden calf; the law's your god!
More Oh, Roper, you're a fool, God's my god....But I find him rather too subtle....I don't know where He is or what He wants.
Roper My God wants service, to the end and unremitting; nothing else!
More Are you sure that's God? He sounds like Moloch. But indeed it may be God - And whoever hunts for me, Roper, God or Devil, will find me hiding in the thickets of the law! And I'll hide my daughter with me! Not hoist her up the mainmast of your seagoing principles! They put about too nimbly!
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As conservatives, we know that unlimited Govt power is a dnagerous thing.
As conservatives, we know that 'the ends justify the means' has been the motto of every modern tyranny mankind has suffered under.
The laws are what protect you from tyranny.
We can only advance God's law by comporting to man's law to God's law. If you cut down the law, you wont be serving God, but the forces of chaos and violence... and it wont be God putting you up to it.
"Two years ago the legislature passed a statute giving the governor unquestionable authority to intervene. The courts vacated that legislation. They would have vacated this bill as well, and we would be in the same position today - the governor claiming he cannot do anything while an innocent disabled woman is starved to death."
Well then, the problem is with that Kangaroo Supreme Court in Florida ... are they the same clowns that tried to engineer a Gore recount victory? Have you figured out that since these judges are *elected*, Florida voters are ultimitely empowered/responsible for this situation?
I am all for Jeb Bush doing what is within his *legal authority* to save Terri.
"if you saw John Couey raping and murdering her, and you could use deadly force to stop him, would you,"
Yes, I would, but I would also submit to judgement of the law on what I did, ie, consider it civil disobedience. But understand that while that is legal in most states, in places like Britain, they've convicted people of murder when they defended their homes against criminal intruders.
What I *wouldnt* do if I was say a DA would be to break the law (eg plant evidence) to get a guy convicted of rape I knew was guilty so he didnt rape again. Maybe restraint would lead to some injustice (ala OJ Simpson), but executive agents of Government abusing their authority is a dangerous precedent that would lead to more harm than good.
The law sometimes is an ass. Rather than challenge the law, we need to challenge our imperial courts and those who presume to misapply the law for unjust ends.
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