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*LIVE* Judge to RULE on Gov. Bush's Request for Custody of Schiavo! (MOTION DENIED 2:07 ET)
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Posted on 03/24/2005 9:09:56 AM PST by davidosborne

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KEYWORDS: florida; foxnews; judgegreer; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo
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To: george wythe; jeffo; MineralMan

There were actually two surgeons for the Schindlers. One was a neurologist, the other one was something else. I read the GAL report that was linked in the Best of the Web Today page.

Jeffo, don't let the facts stop you from making an informed decision. The information is out there. There isn't a big conspiracy. Everything has been done according to FL law.


1,381 posted on 03/24/2005 2:26:46 PM PST by gruffwolf
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To: gruffwolf
I don't want this woman to die.

I do, now that's it's clear no one with the ability has the actual will to prevent it. I do want her die, I don't want her to be in agony another moment. My God, to think she could actually linger for days, while we just watch... I can't bear this. I can't begin to imagine what she is going through, what her mother is going through being forced to watch this. I am sick. My prayers are now begging God to take her and give her peace.

1,382 posted on 03/24/2005 2:27:50 PM PST by workerbee
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To: ohioWfan

See, if we can get along, so can everyone else!!!


1,383 posted on 03/24/2005 2:28:09 PM PST by gruffwolf
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To: gruffwolf
"And I like your comment, a snide remark with nothing to add to the discussion. That's helpful."

I'm sorry but It is what it is at this point. I've been faced this very same issue in my life and I don't understand why it has gotten to this point. Do you???????????
1,384 posted on 03/24/2005 2:28:35 PM PST by WHBates
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To: gruffwolf
I'm glad you've decided that Michael is in the same league as Scott Peterson. . .

Well, in at least one respect he is: As Newsday reported in 2003, he won $300, 000 for himself for loss of consortium and $700,000 for his wife -- based on the presumption that Michael would care for Terri for the rest of her life.

Not counting concubines, apparently. Centonze and Frye have earned an ignominy few would envy.

1,385 posted on 03/24/2005 2:28:38 PM PST by Caleb1411
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To: P-Marlowe
Oh, yeah, he really had time to prepare for an evidenciary hearing, didn't he? One would have thought the Judge would be smart enough to know that he needed to stay the execution order and give the parties additional time to prepare for an evidenciary hearing. But that's "common sense" (something that is sorely lacking in judicial proceedings).

Ah, but according to what dozens of people have pointed out here, there was tons of evidence just sitting there waiting to be introduced. I would have thought that he would have—at the very least—all the evidence Greer had ruled as not-admissable. He could have called Terri as a witness.

There was also a lot of complaints that Whittemore waited until 3 p.m. to hear the case. Many have complained that 3 p.m. was too late and that the hearing should have happened at 8 a.m.

The problem is the law. The law is very specific in what the judges can or cannot do in that situation. The only thing Whittemore could have done was "maintain the Status Quo" meaning that the tube had to stay out. There are four criteria that needed to be met to change that. Numbers 2-4 were slam dunks, but the first one, did the Schindlers have enough merits to win the case. That's where Schindlers' lawyer should have introduced the new evidence. He didn't. He argued procedure.

1,386 posted on 03/24/2005 2:29:45 PM PST by Military family member (If pro is the opposite of con and con the opposite of pro, then the opposite of Progress is Congress)
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To: gruffwolf; xzins
So you are not opposed to the Federal Government stepping into something like this, even though the state already voted on it?

No, because the Federal Government has an obligation under the constitution to ensure that no person is denied life without due process of law. Congress also has the right to make a determination as to what "due process" is and if they want to increase the requirements for "due process" over and above what the courts have indicated is sufficient, then that is the perogative of Congress.

Frankly Congress simply didn't go far enough. They could have passed a law declaring that Terri Schiavo did not get due process and the courts would have had to try the whole case over.

"States rights" in this case is a ruse. When it comes to matters of deprivation of life, there is no state right that is not subject to the rules of the Federal Constitution. And the jurisdiction of the Federal Courts is wholly under the control of Congress.

BTW, what grade did you get in Constitutional Law in Law School? I got an "A".

1,387 posted on 03/24/2005 2:30:00 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: hummingbird
There is still no statute of limitations on murder

Make NO mistake.....if Terri is cremated, there is NO way that murder could EVER be proven. NOR neglect. NOR abuse.

1,388 posted on 03/24/2005 2:30:45 PM PST by mommadooo3
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To: workerbee

Heavenly Father - We humbly implore You to protect our little Sister, Theresa Marie Schiavo, from internal damage to her organs. We pray for a life-saving miracle on her behalf. Like the ones who cut a hole in the roof and dropped their crippled friend down to Your Beloved Son, Jesus Christ, we are bringing Terri before You and asking for Your Healing Touch. In the Name of Jesus Christ, our Savior and King. Amen.


1,389 posted on 03/24/2005 2:31:14 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ("Where there's life, there's hope." Theresa Marie Schiavo)
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To: Saundra Duffy

So where are all the people?


1,390 posted on 03/24/2005 2:31:15 PM PST by Military family member (If pro is the opposite of con and con the opposite of pro, then the opposite of Progress is Congress)
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To: workerbee

You're right, I should have written my post better.

I don't want her to suffer. I know she is going to die and I am sickened by the thought of them playing a game of tug of war with her life. Tube out/tube in....

Even though she can't feel anything (I hope) it's still not right.

She will be in Heaven soon and then there will be no more suffering.


1,391 posted on 03/24/2005 2:31:36 PM PST by gruffwolf
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To: Saundra Duffy

Amen.


1,392 posted on 03/24/2005 2:31:42 PM PST by lysie
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To: Alex Marko
Cry about it? its you guys crying about a legal decision held up by 22 judges, federal and Supreme court. I suppose every judge in the case is activist? Its not Greer's fault, its the way the law is set up, if you have a problem with it, call jeb, the florida house or Senate.

I have a problem with KILLING an innocent human being.....regardless of the interpretation of law....The inaleinable right to life decends from God...not the courts..

"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they have resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress."

---------- Frederick Douglas (1857)


1,393 posted on 03/24/2005 2:32:39 PM PST by cbkaty
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To: Military family member

So you would rather the letter of the law be followed even if it causes a wrongful death? Just for a moment, consider that the PVS was misdiagnosed, and that her husband lied about her wishes. I want to know - is letter of the law more important than one innocent life? If so, how about 10? 100? 1,000,000?


1,394 posted on 03/24/2005 2:32:47 PM PST by jeffo
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To: Military family member

Therein lies the rub. The Shindlers have been ill-served in their legal representations. If I am to be totally honest here, I'd have to say Terri is dying from bad lawyering more than bad judging at this point.


1,395 posted on 03/24/2005 2:34:35 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Our legal system is in a PVS. Time to remove it from the public feeding trough.)
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To: jeffo

You are not god and I am not Lot.


1,396 posted on 03/24/2005 2:34:39 PM PST by Military family member (If pro is the opposite of con and con the opposite of pro, then the opposite of Progress is Congress)
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To: Military family member; xzins
Ah, but according to what dozens of people have pointed out here, there was tons of evidence just sitting there waiting to be introduced.

He had two hours. Actually he had only one hour since Michael Schiavo's attorney had the other hour. Practically speaking he didn't have time to read the list of evidence into the record, much less overcome the objections to its admissibility.

His only hope in that emergency hearing was to raise the procedural issues, since his best hope was in getting the judge to agree that there was a violation of due "process".

The judge had discretion to issue a stay of the execution order. In fact "common sense" would dictate that what the congress ordered could not be properly carried out in less than a month after the parties had been given a chance to prepare. But alas, common sense is inadmissible in court proceedings.

1,397 posted on 03/24/2005 2:37:05 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: MineralMan
We know that Gov Bush has promised to not violate Greer's order to intervene with DCF to reinsert the feeding tube. Greer has enjoined such behavior. It has been reported that Michael Schaivo has requested an immediate cremation of Terri's remains.

If DCF has a valid claim of possible abuse, do you believe they would be able to override the cremation request and remand the remains to the coroner's office for a thorough forensic exam in order to gather the information a live exam would otherwise reveal?

1,398 posted on 03/24/2005 2:37:05 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Saundra Duffy

Would that our Lord would find it in His will to allow a miracle and open the eyes of her executioners, but barring that, I pray He ends her suffering quickly. Don't we all?


1,399 posted on 03/24/2005 2:37:06 PM PST by workerbee
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To: MineralMan
As far as I've been able to tell, though, the outrage expressed here on a regular basis doesn't lead to much activity.

I can only speak for myself, but what goes on at FR leads me to (1) make phone calls, (2) writer letters and email, (3) send money to conservative politicians and organizations, (4) talk to people whenever possible, giving them the facts when they may not have heard them (such as in Terri's case), and (5) vote Republican, the more conservative, the better. All of which is at least as good as standing on a street corner. People are venting their frustration here. Don't mistake that for inaction.

1,400 posted on 03/24/2005 2:37:39 PM PST by Glenmerle
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