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Teacher Claims Shroud of Turin Is Fake
The Washington Times ^
| AP Writer
| NICHOLAS K. GERANIOS
Posted on 03/24/2005 7:17:27 AM PST by shroudie
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To: pa mom
Yeah, I have a couple of those dresses myself!
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:09:36 AM PST
by
Ditter
To: shroudie
Nathan Wilson is an English teacher with no scientific training,, but he thinks he knows how the piece of linen revered by many as Jesus' burial cloth was made. Hey, why not? An high school teacher with no knowledge of Catholicism has a best-selling book called "The DaVinci Code." You can sell any anti-Catholic crap these days.
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:13:29 AM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: muawiyah
~ actually, more like 20 foot panes of glass, produced in the Middle Ages ~ The Catholic Church had them and destroyed the evidence. < /Dan Brownism>
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:15:59 AM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: biblewonk
You have to be an RC to be into that kind of thing. You'd have to be something to be so into it, that's for sure.
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:16:22 AM PST
by
newgeezer
(Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
To: shroudie
I must be tired I thought this said Lake Erie was a fake.
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:22:36 AM PST
by
CzarNicky
(The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
To: maestro
Jesus-God's real Miracle-Resurrection-Work was to ......leave an...EMPTY-Tomb! Except for the burial cloths. And why, when John entered the tomb, did he "see and believe"? Why didn't he assume that someone had moved the body? Scripture tells us that "They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead." Perhaps it was because he viewed the image-bearing Shroud.
John 20 3So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen. 8Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. 9(They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.)
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:22:51 AM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: Skooz
Actually, the radio-carbon dating was performed on a piece of the shroud KNOWN to have been added as a repair.
The dates were right on the button for that action thereby proving that the repair had happened.
The nuns who cared for the shround are also reported in ancient records to have IRONED the shroud to make it flat. Interestingly enough there's a patina of iron, like that which would be left from ironing, all over the shroud. Sometimes this layer is misidentified as pigment residue.
I'm pretty sure this cloth is the one stolen from St. Sophia by one of my ancestors and then taken to France where it unaccountably ended up in the hands of the Knights Templar.
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:25:59 AM PST
by
muawiyah
To: bmwcyle
The important point is that Jesus is real and the Bible is true. And that Jesus left us His Church which gave us the Bible.
And remember that all truth is God's truth, since He is Truth. Therefore, it would be wrong to proclaim the Shroud false if it is not, or to proclaim it false with insufficient data to render a definitive judgment.
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:28:10 AM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: Aquinasfan
The real Christians, and God's, revelational subject here....is....The EMPTY-Tomb.....MEANING,.....
NO BODY of Jesus! Eyes-up!
(NOT-down!)
:-)
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:30:04 AM PST
by
maestro
To: shroudie
That can't be right. I heard they discovered a "33 AD" label on the Shroud, in perfectly clear 12-point Times Roman.
50
posted on
03/24/2005 8:35:10 AM PST
by
steve-b
(A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
To: maestro
The real Christians, and God's, revelational subject here....is....The EMPTY-Tomb.....MEANING,.....NO BODY of Jesus! And does the Shroud help to corroborate this? It does, and has led to the conversion of many skeptical scientists who've studied it.
Relics are not to be worshipped or despised (see 2 Kings 13:21), but venerated.
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:36:44 AM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: tallhappy
That was brought to our attention a couple of decades ago. Whatever.
To: traderrob6
OH you bet, an English teacher,now that's gravitas - actually about 60% of discoveries are done by people not in their field - they are not blinded by what the way it is suppose to be. A good friend of mine won the Nobel Prize for a process he invented which was out of his field; he needed a device to do something, everyone told him it was impossible and in 6 weeks he had made the device and DNA evidence has never been the same. Lookup DNA/Mullis
To: timtoews5292004
There have always been problems with the carbon dating that was done. The section that was removed from dating was covered with organic material that may have skewed the dating process. Additionally, the material removed was from a patch that had been sewed onto the shroud to repair holes after a fire in the middle ages. Both of these could have resulted in erroneous dating. To date, there has not been a carbon dating done on a part of the original material of the shroud, to my knowledge.
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:42:02 AM PST
by
ops33
(Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
To: shroudie
it's funny how a piece of cloth just scares the sh!t out of them...
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:43:30 AM PST
by
Chode
(American Hedonist ©®)
To: Aquinasfan
St. Luke 24:39.......is the subject,......the subject is the....
....EMPTY-Tomb and the resurrected PHYSICAL-BODY of Jesus GONE...
.............................EMPTY-Tomb
......vererate the EMPTY-Tomb!
...meaning.....EMPTY!
:-)
have a blessed weekend!
(Romans 10:17)
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:44:05 AM PST
by
maestro
To: shroudie
I read an article in "Popular Photography" about 20 years ago in which a photographer, using chemicals and techniques known since ancient times, created a "Shroud of Elvis."
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:45:29 AM PST
by
Alouette
(Learned Mother of Zion)
To: timtoews5292004
When it comes to the shroud, I just apply this old logic: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
The shroud is almost certainly a fake, and the more we know, the more I am convinced.
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posted on
03/24/2005 8:47:20 AM PST
by
RobRoy
(Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
To: shroudie
The forger or perhaps forgers, Wilson theorizes, probably robbed a grave and pulled the aged shroud off a body, then crucified someone to obtain the blood and study the wounds of Jesus."Most likely it involved some real wicked people," Wilson said.
I agree. It's a hoax most foul. A person or persons fabricated this fraud. The motives are manifold, but they either killed someone in a manner similar to Christ, or they sought out a dead body of similar description to the crucified Christ, mutilated it according to the descriptions in the Gospels, then wrapped it in linen and left it to stew in its own juices. Once the shroud was produced it would have discouraged others to attempt "copies", for to retain its "provenance", the church would be compelled to recognize only one fake and encourage or demand the destruction of any others.
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posted on
03/24/2005 9:57:36 AM PST
by
elbucko
(A Feral Republican)
To: Alouette
The "Shroud of Elvis."I believe that this is real. Long live Rock n' Roll!
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posted on
03/24/2005 10:01:20 AM PST
by
elbucko
(A Feral Republican)
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