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(SCOTUS) 'Cuffs OK'd during warranted search
UPI ^ | 3-22-05

Posted on 03/22/2005 11:26:39 AM PST by Indy Pendance

WASHINGTON, March 22 (UPI) -- The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday in a California case holding someone in handcuffs while police execute a search warrant is constitutional.

A majority opinion written by Chief Justice William Rehnquist said the handcuffing did not violate the Fourth Amendment's ban on "unreasonable" searches and seizures.

Rehnquist noted the high court ruled in 1981 someone could be detained during a search, and using handcuffs when the search involved gang members was "reasonable."

Police officers raided a residence in Simi Valley, Calif., Feb. 3, 1998, looking for guns and evidence of gang membership. Iris Mena was asleep in her bed when officers placed her in handcuffs at gunpoint.

Police were looking for a member of the West Side Locos. Mena was later released.

She filed suit in federal court saying the handcuffing and interrogation of her immigration status were unconstitutional. The lower federal court agreed, but that ruling was thrown out by the Supreme Court.

There were no dissents, though four justices concurred using different reasoning.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: billofrights; fourthamendment; ruling; scotus

1 posted on 03/22/2005 11:26:39 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

9th Circuit Court of Appeals shot down again.


2 posted on 03/22/2005 11:29:28 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Indy Pendance

Hard to believe there were no dissenters.


3 posted on 03/22/2005 11:31:59 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Indy Pendance

This is nothing but common sense.


4 posted on 03/22/2005 11:33:39 AM PST by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: mainepatsfan
Hard to believe there were no dissenters.

Also hard to believe that it even had to go to the SCOTUS.

5 posted on 03/22/2005 11:44:54 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Does anyone remember Billy Dale? Did the Democrats ever care?)
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To: Indy Pendance

I do have a question. It's a search warrant for property, not an arrest warrant for a person. Shouldn't the person be free to go while the search is conducted?


6 posted on 03/22/2005 11:47:32 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Michael.SF.

Not after the 9th got their hands on the case.


7 posted on 03/22/2005 11:50:26 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: So Cal Rocket
9th Circuit Court of Appeals shot down again.

Go figure.

8 posted on 03/22/2005 11:51:25 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: antiRepublicrat

It seems to me, if a search warrant is issued, some may try to hinder the police and cause trouble. I don't think they're being detained, just restrained so the police can search.


9 posted on 03/22/2005 11:52:53 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

What does the Fourth Amendment even do any more? All they have to do is shout the magic keyword "drug" or "terror" and all bets are off. It's been that way for a while now.


10 posted on 03/22/2005 11:54:12 AM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio
What you mean is that for the last 30 years or so, individual rights were allowed to trump the rights of the society as a whole...

The pendulum has now swung to where the protection of society has become important again.
11 posted on 03/22/2005 12:00:50 PM PST by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass.)
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To: Indy Pendance

It's hard to believe the SCOTUS's willingness to micro-manage everything police do. "Constitutionality" is being stretched and trivialized to the point where it will mean nothing.


12 posted on 03/22/2005 12:07:08 PM PST by Spok
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To: antiRepublicrat

If it's a search warrant for property, kinda makes sense that those on the property be restrained to prevent trouble or screwing with evidence. They should, however, be allowed to leave unless specifically arrested.

A search warrant could also be for a person. This warrant addressed indications of gang membership: cops could conceivably check people there for, say, gang tattoos or contraband in pockets. Might make sense to restrain the people there until they have been searched accordingly.

Heckuva line to walk.


13 posted on 03/22/2005 12:09:32 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Indy Pendance
I don't think they're being detained, just restrained so the police can search.

I just read the order. It looks like this was just a continuation of another power the Supreme Court earlier granted to the government. The police can detain anyone while a search is being conducted without justification, in whatever manner they see fit. The police did not use minimal force since they could have addressed all the concerns pointed out in the ruling by simply making her stay in the back yard under guard.

It also looks like the 9th and/or her lawyers screwed up, as they should have addressed the issue that her detention went beyond the time necessary to complete the search, meaning she was just being detained not in conjuction with an active search. She might have won on that.

BTW, it turned out she was a legal resident, not an illegal alien.

14 posted on 03/22/2005 12:11:18 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Thanks for the update.


15 posted on 03/22/2005 12:12:25 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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THIS IS TERRIBLE. I FEEL SO UNSAFE: PERSONS TRYING TO GET IN FIGHTS WITH ME FOR MY MONEY, TRYING TO REAR-END MY AUTO FOR MONEY, SANDWICH MY AUTO FOR MONEY AND NOW BRAVE AND NOBLE POLICE WORTH THEIR SALARY IN GOLD FOR STOPPING THE ABOVE AND BLOOD-WRENCHING VIOLENCE, WHO HAVE BEEN SCARED AROUND AND AROUND BY OUR IRA-NAZI CHANGED ANTI-FIRST AMENDENT SOCIETY. WHY was the Supreme court, good police, holding up your families and fun and your workday, again good police and family of the law and judges?

1. Obstruction of justice is precedented as are numerous scene of crime laws. Sorry. Scene of crime? Done nothing wrong? You won't be physically hurt. Wait your turn. Mayhem could be dangerous but pretend you are a TV star and wait your turn. Such handcuffs at the scene of a crime are fine, just be patient and realize your are part of a civic safety process.

2. Police once closed an open U-Hall(r) van of mine-- yikes-- so these persons are truly exceptional and do know how to live in the good "polis" or society we all want.

3. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself: inherent fear that a basic neighbor is bad and out to get us without cause, reason or grounds. The second thing we have to fear is the tendency to find ways of putting other persons down or finding bad over good. Then compare the above concerns to constitutional freedoms. My family comes from all sides five generations of law (almost). What shall be the damage? What is the priority order of problems? That something is a namby-pamby "question" of comfort could falter in this list. Finally what about the oppressive society in which we live in which Maoist IRA dogmas shut-up us all in public and dictate all of our movements according to flaccid convention?

Peace to all.

Very truly yours,
John Laidlaw Miller
Private Residence
Pulo Island
Quezon Province
The Republic of the Philippines
16 posted on 03/22/2005 12:12:52 PM PST by greatsquire (CITIZENS UNSAFE)
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To: lOKKI

No, what I mean is there is no astericks beside the Fourth Amendment that grants any exceptions to its limit on government powers. The individual is not the danger. The organized government with unchecked power is the real danger. The founding fathers saw that and did everything they could to prevent it. And we selectively ignore the Constitution at our own peril. That's what I meant.


17 posted on 03/22/2005 12:13:51 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Indy Pendance

With this I would expect it to be Standard Operating Procedure for all cops everywhere to cuff anyone near any scene of any search.


18 posted on 03/22/2005 12:16:53 PM PST by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: Indy Pendance

Once again, all people are to be considered guilty until proven innocent. The cops already have the right, and need, to remove from the scene or cuff anyone who interferes with a search. They do not need this decision that allows them to arrest anyone who is not interfering.


19 posted on 03/22/2005 12:24:21 PM PST by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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