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To: northernlightsII
No matter what: you lose because you stand on the side of starving an innocent disabled woman.

She is not a “disabled woman”. She’s a vegetable. How many courts has this been through? Nineteen Florida State Judges, one Federal District Court judge, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, three trips to the U.S. Supreme Court. Are they all in on it? Are they all going to make money off of the death of one woman? If there was any viable reason to believe she had any consciousness left, one of the courts would have noticed it.

And she is not being killed. She has been kept alive by artificial means for 15 years. This is just letting nature take it’s course.

I believe that love is what’s motivating her parents. They love her, and don’t want to loose her. But their overwhelming love and desire to keep her around in any form, is making them blind to the fact that they are being shellfish. They are willing to make her live a half aware vegetable nightmare so they can have her around to love and cuddle. I am not advocating killing disabled or “inconvenient” people. I’m advocating letting vegetative people die naturally, if that is the wish of the next of kin, without court or legislative interference. Huge difference there.

I noticed that you failed to address the substantive part of my post regarding conflict of interest????

I did address it, you just didn’t notice. I was using sarcasm.

Let me try again

How is he going to gain financially compared to how he could gain by walking away? He was offered at least 1 million to do so. Why does no one here want to address that? Because it doesn’t fit their theory, so it must be ignored. What’s motivating the husband? I honestly don’t know. I don’t buy the money angle for the reasons stated above. Covering up a crime? Where’s the evidence. Oh that’s right. It’s being systematically covered up by all the courts and doctors. The level of conspiracy one has to believe in buy this is just not credible. The only thing left is what he stated. She didn’t want to be kept alive like this. And no one can prove she didn’t say it to him. He is the husband. I honestly don't know if I believe him, but it doesn't matter. The fact is that whatever his motive, unless it can be proven in a court of law that her wishes were otherwise, his position as the next of kin must be honored.

I’ll tell you what scares the crap out of me. A precedent could set that anyone can challenge the spouse’s right to speak for the medical treatment of a spouse who is not able to speak for themselves, simply by drumming up enough publicity and using unproven accusations of abuse and greed and lord knows what else. That scares me. This kind of situation is faced by thousands of people in this country every year. And the only reason we are so worked up about this one is because of the publicity. I do not want these matters handled in the courts, the legislature, or in the media. It is a family matter. That means the spouse first, adult children next, and parents and sibling last, as prescribed by law in EVERY state. The parents tried to show evidence why the husband should be removed as guardian. They failed. Repeatedly, over several appeals the courts have found no reason to overture the husbands decision. The evidence is not there.

If this kind of thing should happen to me, my wife is in charge because she is next of kin. My body belongs to her. The bible says we become “one flesh”. My unconscious or vegetative body is hers to do with what she will. I trust her completely. I do not want anyone interfering with her authority. I do not want to be kept in some sort of half conscious living hell of a life in a shell of my body, because some person or group decide to make my case a front for there agenda. No mater how much I agree with the pro-life movement, I do not want to be used by them in that way. Trust me. I’m more radically anti abortion than 90% of the people on FR. There is no reason for abortion in my view, except if it can be shown that the mother will likely DIE. Not incest, rape or anything else. So don’t give me this “You must be for abortion” crap either. This is not that same thing. But it has wrongly been seized upon by the pro-life movement to advance their cause. And it needs to be advanced, just not this way. There is much more involved here.

1,674 posted on 03/23/2005 9:48:16 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Jotmo

Actually almost all your facts are wrong she is not a vegetable,there is no such diagnosis in medicine perhaps you meant PVS, which she is not either and there are substantive medical opnions to that effect.
She is not on life support she has a feeding tube.
Which by the way is not essential for her survival since she can swallow.
What is going to kill her is the fact that tha sadist judge Greer has ordered that she is not to get any food or water by mouth not even ice cubes.These are the facts as they are ,not as you write them, and therefore you are indeed condoning the execution of this helpess of that woman by means of dehydration and starvation.
YOU aree not letting a woman die you are advocating the active killing of her.
Just a thaught,what do you think would happen to you if you were denied all food and water by mouth?


1,675 posted on 03/23/2005 10:05:06 AM PST by northernlightsII
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To: Jotmo
How many courts has this been through? Nineteen Florida State Judges, one Federal District Court judge, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, three trips to the U.S. Supreme Court. Are they all in on it? Are they all going to make money off of the death of one woman? If there was any viable reason to believe she had any consciousness left, one of the courts would have noticed it.

Only ONE "court" has looked at the facts of the case, asked for tests (some from a pro-euthanasia activist) and made a judgement. No other courts other than the one of Greer has looked at the case in this way. The Congress tried to remedy this, but the Federal judges have so far refused to look at the facts of the case.

All the other courts have done is determine that Greer had the power to make the call.

1,679 posted on 03/23/2005 11:23:01 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Jotmo
How is he going to gain financially compared to how he could gain by walking away? He was offered at least 1 million to do so. Why does no one here want to address that?

I have addressed this before and will again right here. My theory about Michael's relentless persistence in refusing to end his quest is one that is likely a strong attorney advice from Felos. Michael has ALWAYS maintained, from the time that there unquestionably a great deal of money at stake to the present when some sources say most of the money is gone, that he was ONLY motivated by Terri's wishes to die. To change his position now would potentially expose him to very serious charges that he has always been in it just for the money. This would especially appear feasible if he were to accept the recent offers. If a case CAN be made that he has always been motivated by greed, he would be potentially chargeable for abuse of Terri during the time that has transpired since he began the quest to have the feeding tube removed. This is not about the question of whether he was abusive before Terri's collapse. This is about denial of rehabilitation and medical care during the time of all of the legal action. Remember, he was supposed to use the rehabilitation money for Terri's rehabilitation. He has a tiger by the tail, basically. He cannot at this point afford to let go of the tail for fear the tiger will turn and bite him. As long as he never gives up the facade that he has always only acted on Terri's wishes, he is more immune to prosecution of abusing his guardianship power.

Just my theory.
1,682 posted on 03/23/2005 11:40:42 AM PST by AaronInCarolina
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To: Jotmo
If she is not being killed then why are people being arrested for trying to bring her water? Did you know that Judge Greer dictated that she not be given ANY water. That is murder in my book. People that do not see this for what it is are morally bankrupt.
1,685 posted on 03/23/2005 7:44:03 PM PST by blueriver
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