Posted on 03/21/2005 9:49:25 AM PST by MisterRepublican
CARBONDALE -- On the dance floor at Gatsby's II, a popular bar at Southern Illinois University in Carbondale, a tall brunette drinks beer from a plastic pitcher while she grinds her backside into a man's body.
A silver disco ball hangs overhead while a blond woman in a pink, pleated miniskirt writhes on her partner's leg.
A girl notices that her boyfriend's attention is wandering. With a manicured hand, she grabs his face and plants a Hollywood-worthy kiss on his mouth.
On this sticky dance floor, littered with plastic cups and packed with gyrating bodies, women are the hunters as much as the hunted.
Traditional stereotypes dictate that men want sex, and women crave love. But, on today's college campuses, students say those gender lines are blurrier than a pair of beer goggles.
When a University of Illinois sorority girl observed over lunch at a Champaign cafe that "guys aren't looking for love," her friend chimed in: "I don't think we can blame it on the guys. I'm not looking for love, either."
Girls are just as bad as boys now," another woman said.
"To guys, [sex is] still like scoring," said author Tom Wolfe, who spent two years on college campuses researching his new novel. "The strange part is that it's become that for girls, too. They'll say, 'I scored Jack last night . . . finally!'''
A federal government survey of 4,600 college students found that slightly more male than female undergrads are virgins.
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A severe example to be sure. However, even there, most women move on. It's a wonderful human trait, we can heal almost any wound over time. The loss of spouses, children, parents, etc. A woman may never feel good about an abortion, especially if she comes around to being pro-life, but that doesn't mean she's beating herself up about it 24/7.
I see you got mocked for this but you're right. I am much happier, even at times when I'd really like to be with someone, than my acquaintances who are out having sex.... one of my friends is pregnant, with no expectation that the guy will marry her. Another is suffering three years later from emotional problems that I think relate to her being promiscuous in her teenage years. And my male friends don't get why none of their relationships ever work out....
It's frustrating to wait but the other choice is much, much worse.
Depends. A mobster derives happiness from money, beating up his enemies and having sex with attractive women (among other things). If a mobster gets enough of these things, he will objectively be happier than the aformentioned Sister of Charity.
Why?
young woman should be planning on running a household as her primary duty.
Why?
You're confusing emotion and true happiness, the satisfaction of the deepest desires of the heart. At least I hope so.
Regardless, mobsters aren't happier by either measure.
Between four and five percent.
you're on the right track. Just don't turn into quivering jello and try to justify or explain yourself or defend your stance - you don't owe anyone any explanations. Stay strong, quietly, without nervous mumbles to cynical audiences. Sapirit is on your side :)
Why?
Because the mother's natural role is to be the primary child-rearer. Do you have children? A mother? Ever known any?
young woman should be planning on running a household as her primary duty.
Why?
See above.
Hah, I hold a lot of unpopular but right views. Haven't let the fact that everyone thinks I'm weird sway me yet.
This is where your argument falls apart, as always. Through the miracles of modern contraception and medicine, the idea that sex is automatically tied to life and or disease is an outdated concept. Sex can simply be for pleasure.
There is a way out of this. You can repent and serve the Truth.
I've already discovered Mithras, thank you very much. I don't need some Johnnie-come-lately from a backwater of the Roman Empire.
Yup. Life isn't easy. There's no point in making it even harder.
Nonsense.
This is intuitively obvious and proven by common experience
Translation: This is Aquinasfan's opinion, nothing more.
Therefore, those who reserve intercourse for marriage are happier than those who don't
You have no evidence to support this speculation.
And if you use something for the purpose it wasn't intended for, what happens? Ever try to drive a nail with a screwdriver, or a screw with a hammer?
You didn't invent sex. It's illogical to assume you can willfully redefine what it means.
What I'm finding especially amusing is the repeated assertion that I'm (or anyone in my position) not happy because I was promiscuous for years before I married. To hear these guys tell it, I should have the most bitter unfilling marriage imaginable, but after all these years, she still rock my world. I'm not unhappy at all.
there is really nothing wrong with sex for pleasure even from religious point of view (my religion anyway). Just as long as it is between husband and wife and some other little details.
For a mobster, the deepest desire of the heart is money, power and sex.
Regardless, mobsters aren't happier by either measure.
Depends on how much money, power and sex they get.
What leads you to this conclusion, other than your own opinion?
The main purposes of sex is pleasure. Pregnancy is just an unfortunate side effect, which we have figured out how to treat, thankfully.
You didn't invent sex. It's illogical to assume you can willfully redefine what it means.
I am a being with free will. I have the right to define sex however I choose.
"Sex" is sterile intercourse (when sterility is deliberately induced). The couple says to each other, "I don't want your children."
"Making love" is intercourse that's open to new life. It says, "Our love is so great that it becomes tangible, bringing forth new life."
The latter brings true joy. I hope you experience the difference some day.
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