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Mother pleads for Terri Schiavo's life (US House convenes at 1:00 PM EST - LIVE THREAD
Kansas City Star/AP ^
| 2/20/05
| Mitch Stacy
Posted on 03/20/2005 9:26:17 AM PST by Dane
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To: mzbzybee
And her family wants to take her home.
To: SteveMcKing
Disgusting site. DU is the worst, though, making horrible jokes about her; comparing her to funny vegetables...don't they know we are watching?
To: Mo1
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posted on
03/20/2005 12:36:15 PM PST
by
reaganaut
(Not all Thanatologists are pro-death, abortion or euthanasia)
To: T'wit
Oh really? I was not allowed to post anymore on this thread earlier today under my other name. I am not a newbie I have been a member of this forum for 7 years. No, I dont know every little detail about this case. But neither does anybody else for that matter. I have been called names and accused of vile things today. I for one am sick of it. This forum is turning into DU more everyday. I have seen good people in this forum belittled, and marginalized for the last several months just because they have a difference of opinion. More and more good people are not coming back.
To: Mo1
Elenor Ratcliff is brain dead.
I think they should tape her mouth shut so she can't put a spoon to it.
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posted on
03/20/2005 12:37:14 PM PST
by
Spunky
("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
To: Beeline40@aol.com
Excerpt from Cheryl Ford, R.N., regarding Terri's Exit Protocols -- from the last episode: -- READ, CALL CONGRESS - DEMOCRAT SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES (www.house.gov; www.senate.gov)- cry, pray, pray, pray:
This is a very critical piece of information from a nurses point of view, Ford said. We have a patient with no apparent signs of distress, yet enteral tube feeding is going to be discontinued on 4/20/01. This is murder. And its premeditated murder, because look at the dates notes were prepared the day before the tube was supposed to be withdrawn.
What would make the death more difficult is that Terri is a healthy woman, weighing approximately 138.5 pounds, which means she will endure longer than other patients who are in the midst of a natural-death process.
I was an oncology (cancer) nurse, Ford said. These people are very weak and gaunt. Their bodies are already shutting down, and their tube feedings are withdrawn when their body systems can no longer handle it. But Terri is not a cancer patient thats what bothers me. Shes a healthy young woman.
Upon discontinuation of enteral feeding the following signs/symptoms may or may not occur. The following is a brief list of symptoms for which to monitor and recommended interventions.
Monitor symptoms of pain/discomfort. If noted, medicate with Naproxen rectal suppository 375 mg. Q8 prn [Q8 prn means eight times a day as needed].
If someone in a persistent vegetative state cannot feel pain, as Michael Schiavo and his attorney, George Felos, have consistently told the world, why do Terris charts tell nurses how to treat her for pain?
According to Ford, that is because Terri can and will feel pain during this process and a lot of it.
Think about what hunger pains are like if you havent eaten in a while, Ford said. You start to get that gnawing feeling, almost a burning in your stomach. Most people dont extend themselves into the depths of hunger. They grab a cracker or bread if theyre out shopping for a while just to make themselves feel better.
Terri would not have this option, however. Within several hours, shell start to feel this kind of hunger pain, Ford said.
Dehydration would only add to the discomfort: When she starts going into the dehydration stage, her metabolism will start to change. Her electrolytes will get imbalanced. Shes going to get uncomfortable and will start to writhe.
Advance a couple days without food or water. Now her mouth is parched, her lips, her gums, her tongue will start to crack and bleed. The nasal cavities will start to dry, crack and bleed. The stomach will get dry and shrink, causing vomiting and heaving, Ford said.
Pulmonary (a) Inability to clear secretions reposition and swab mouth, consider scopolamine patch behind ear every 3 days.
When you first go into dehydration, your body will automatically compensate by making saliva. But when she gets into the stage where the stomach shrinks and nausea begins, theyre going to stick a patch behind her ear for the nausea. What the patch also does is dehydrate you by taking away this fluid.
(b) Dyspnea nebulize low dose 2-5 mg. Morphine sulfate Q4 prn [four times a day as needed]. Dyspnea is when you have difficulty breathing. What theyre going to do is use a nebulizer the way you might use for asthmatics only instead of giving a histamine to help her breathe, theyre going to give Terri morphine sulfate, which only suppresses respiration more. In the later phases shell start gasping for air.
In seven to nine days, as most of her body fluids are lost, her blood pressure will go down and her heart rate will rise. The blood will be shunted to the central part of the body from the periphery of the body, so that usually two to three days prior to death, the hands and feet become extremely cold. They become mottled and have a bluish appearance. The eyes will become so dry the patient cant move them anymore because there will be fluid in them.
Multifocal myoclonus or terminal agitation [sometimes caused by electrolyte imbalance]. Consider diazepam rectal administration 5-10 mg. May repeat in 4 hours if not resolved then daily twice daily as needed. Multifocal myoclonus means seizures taking place in various parts of the body. Because of the electrolyte imbalance, Terri will begin to have seizures, Ford said. Shell start to twitch. You dont see this in an oncology patient because theyre already dehydrated. Even the elderly, who are going into the natural process of death, their bodies are doing what God created them to do slow down.
Our job as health-care professionals at this point is to understand the death process and to oblige the process God has given these people to help them in comfort measures palliative care not to enhance death. But Terris not terminal, Ford said. What theyre doing here is starving a healthy person to death. This is the only reason why shell go into multifocal myoclonus.
Grand Mal seizure, which is highly unlikely given current conditions and lack of contributing factors (meds) [medication]. Recommend diazepam 15 mg. rectally as indicated in seizure management orders.
If she happens to make it into a grand mal seizure, they will give her 15 mg. of valium.
The valium wont make this easier, it will just help to bring her to death faster, because she wont have the ability to fight her way out of it, Ford said. Her body will not be in good shape at this point. You wouldnt look at her and say she was comfortable. Shes been without food and water for a long time. Shes pretty much withered, her skin is broken down, her metabolism is broken down, her kidneys havent received anything. Her body is reacting to the lack of food.
At this point, death is imminent.
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posted on
03/20/2005 12:39:20 PM PST
by
Brad’s Gramma
(aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
To: texasbluebell
#335..Weldon is a good guy.
He's my representative from FLorida.
407
posted on
03/20/2005 12:39:22 PM PST
by
Guenevere
(Sola Gratia)
To: Dolphy
If I were even reasonably convinced that she had expressed those wishes I would not favor Congressional intervention. That's the problem, isn't it. No one knows what she wants for certain. And, in that twilight of uncertainty, the Congress is contemplating removal of the most basic right of an individual, to determine ones fate or provide for a person who you wish to determine for you.
408
posted on
03/20/2005 12:39:48 PM PST
by
MarketR
("We are pioneers of the world; the advance-guard, sent on through the wilderness of untried things")
To: Mo1
Eleanor totally misrepresented Terri's condition--if people like her are willing to lie, or too lazy to check the facts, then they shouldn't be allowed on TV---
BUT, you notice Gregg Jarrett and Rich Lowry, neither one tried to correct her, when she said she couldn't breathe on her own and that she is brain dead---
I don't get it--why have a debate on TV if you don't have the correct facts, and won't correct the wrong facts---
BTW, did you hear that Michael Schiavo has now taken away the Schindler family's visitation rights to TErri?
409
posted on
03/20/2005 12:39:48 PM PST
by
Txsleuth
(Mark Levin for Supreme Court Chief Justice!)
To: All
I know it has not been proven [yet], but if the HINO's actions throughout this ordeal aren't proof that he is responsible for Terri's condition, I don't know what is! It's pretty obvious to me and others (including Terri's family) that he ceased ALL therapy on her years ago for fear that she would regain her speaking ability and reveal that HIS abusiveness caused this. Why else would he have discontinued ALL therapy for so long????
And now, he's cut off Terri's parents visitation rights. This man not only lacks a heart, he lacks a soul.
410
posted on
03/20/2005 12:40:21 PM PST
by
angelwings49
(Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket??)
To: Mo1
Terrible! /understatement
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posted on
03/20/2005 12:41:11 PM PST
by
Clara Lou
(Hillary Clinton: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
To: MarketR
>
> for myself, yeah...let me go meet my maker.
>
maybe you were answering a different question on purpose. or maybe i wasn't clear with my original. is it ok to starve and dehydrate someone to death in this country on purpose? regardless of the legal/constitutional/personal issues surrounding the decision of death itself.
but, thinking about it some more, maybe I should recind my posted opinions. we in this country seem perfectly content allowing "incapacitated" babies to be chopped up in a mother's womb so i suppose i shouldn't be all that shocked about the idea of starving incapacitated adults to death.
412
posted on
03/20/2005 12:42:40 PM PST
by
kpp_kpp
To: Thebaddog
There has been speculation that her husband tried to strangle her. A scan she had showed some strange injuries to her neck bones.
To: Txsleuth
BUT, you notice Gregg Jarrett and Rich Lowry, neither one tried to correct her, when she said she couldn't breathe on her own and that she is brain dead--- I don't know why they didn't correct her .. they only thing I can guess is they are not aware of all the facts
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posted on
03/20/2005 12:45:08 PM PST
by
Mo1
(Why can't the public see Terry - What are they afraid of ??)
To: Beeline40@aol.com
Thanatology is literally the "study of death". It encompasses a wide area of studies; everything from the grief process, to the biology of dying, to pandemics, to the social views on death. My area is historical/anthropological. I study cultural views on death and how they are reflected in death rituals (funerals, wakes, etc) and social structure. So in a way, this case fits perfectly within my area.
Many people accuse me of being pro-death because of what I do, but I am a thanotologist because I have a great respect for life. Death is taken way to lightly in our society, there was a time when the death of a person was a communal event where the person was celebrated. Today, we are so surrounded by death we become desensitized to it. It is a great shame.
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posted on
03/20/2005 12:46:48 PM PST
by
reaganaut
(Not all Thanatologists are pro-death, abortion or euthanasia)
To: Mo1
was she getting too upset and trying to tell them that she wants to live? (rhetorical)
even with all that we do "know" there is SO much to this story that we are not seeing. the media is puting her to death just as much as that judge is, or more.
where is the accountability that the media demands in cases of much less importance?
416
posted on
03/20/2005 12:46:49 PM PST
by
kpp_kpp
To: Beeline40@aol.com; All
I don't understand how you can be so open about skirting the "rules" of Fr---if you were "thrown out" under a different screen name, just today, then why do you feel that you should be able to come back under a new screen name, and pick fights with other posters---
Everybody, I know that I am relatively new here, but is it kosher to get kicked off under one name, and come back the same day with a different name?
417
posted on
03/20/2005 12:48:26 PM PST
by
Txsleuth
(Mark Levin for Supreme Court Chief Justice!)
To: Grannyx4
I read some other post that seemed a little feverish, but I am curious about the assertion that the husband is denying her the ability to eat solid food orally. The round table on Fox today was bringing out the fact that rehabilitation has been denied her by the husband.
Has anybody been looking into him at all? I'm a little late coming to this subject.
418
posted on
03/20/2005 12:48:41 PM PST
by
Thebaddog
(Dawgs off the coffee table.)
To: Raycpa
Anyone know what is the significance of the vote being taken after midnight?
419
posted on
03/20/2005 12:49:10 PM PST
by
Churchillspirit
(Anaheim Angels - 2002 World Series Champions)
To: Mo1
If Lowry isn't aware of the facts, he shouldn't be representing Terri's side in a nationally televised debate. Period.
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