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NY Times: Starvation Death Not Painful
NewsMax.com ^ | March 20, 2005 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 03/20/2005 5:15:38 AM PST by MisterRepublican

The newspaper that was most outraged over photos of Iraqi terrorist suspects being mistreated by U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison said Sunday that the two week-long starvation-execution of Terri Schiavo will cause her "little discomfort."

"From the data that is available, it is not a horrific thing at all," Dr. Linda Emanuel, the founder of the Education for Physicians in End-of-Life Care Project at Northwestern University tells the New York Times.

"In fact, declining food and water is a common way that terminally ill patients end their lives, because it is less painful than violent suicide and requires no help from doctors," the paper maintains.

The Times also cites Dr. Sean Morrison, a professor of geriatrics and palliative care at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, who insists that starvation victims "generally slip into a peaceful coma."

"It's very quiet, it's very dignified - it's very gentle," he adds.

Other experts not quoted by the Times, however, disagree.

Wesley J. Smith, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and an attorney and consultant for the International Task Force on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide, says that in fact, for a conscious patient like Terri Schiavo, death by starvation will be fraught with agony.

In his book "Forced Exit, The Slippery Slope from Assisted Suicide to Legalized Murder," Smith reports:

"A conscious person would feel it [dehydration] just as you and I would. They will go into seizures. Their skin cracks, their tongue cracks, their lips crack.

"They may have nosebleeds because of the drying of the mucous membranes, and heaving and vomiting might ensue because of the drying out of the stomach lining."

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To: MisterRepublican

First of all - when my blinders were first lifted, and I realized the news networks were controlled by the NYT (I have heard and read escapees from NYT reveal they would pick up the paper, and decide what stories would be on the evening news that day) - I realized how much mind control and SOCIETY CONTROL this paper has.

How is it possible that starvation can be painless? Anybody out there gone from an early dinner on Friday night to a late breakfast on Saturday morning? Yes, the hunger pangs do eventually subside, and things begin to slow down and stop - one at a time - but to what level of pain can anyone who has not experienced it, contribute it to?

It's like newborns who are circimsized. Doctors claim it is quick, doesn't hurt, and the pain memory is gone immediately. How do they know? Can they remember their circumcision as an infant?

Everyone has a different threshold of pain. Some women can go through natural childbirth and have a 9 lb. baby. Me? I was screaming for the epidural and both of mine were around 8 lbs.

The following is my entry to "Christian Wives of Firefighters Board" for today. I wanted to share it with all of you, and those that are able - mention this to your pastors as you attend services today. May God Bless you all.
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"Today, Congress will be coming together to make a precedent setting action - should people who cannot speak for themselves be protected by the courts and allowed to live?

Terri Schiavo has been battling for life for 15 years. Her husband, who has abandoned her, has a common law marriage with another woman and two children - wants Terri to die. He will then inherit all of the money left in trust for Terri from a previous malpractice suit.

The Bill in the Senate came through quickly , and now it rests on the shoulders of the House - to push the Bill through. President Bush is in D.C. today - waiting at a moments notice to sign this Bill, which will hopefully force the courts to replace the tube which was removed on Friday.

What I am asking today, girls, is for all of you to pray that God's will be done. This woman has hung on for 15 years - He apparently wants her around for something.

Let us pray His will be done, Terri find strength to survive without the tube until things can be resolved, and that the all of the House will come together today and do the MORAL thing - allow God to do what HE sees fit - not what judges sees fit.

Please Pray, email your State Representatives if you haven't already, and stay vigilant with this issue.

May God Bless you all, on this First day of Spring. Kimberly"
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And may we all pray that Terri is around to see Spring come again, Next Year. Pray , Pray, Pray


41 posted on 03/20/2005 5:36:35 AM PST by Just Kimberly (Always proud, Always American, Always Trust in God...HOOAH!!)
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To: MisterRepublican

The New York Times would attempt to justify the Holocaust if it fit within their world view.

They are revolting human beings.


42 posted on 03/20/2005 5:37:57 AM PST by tomahawk
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To: MisterRepublican

The New York Times = Mouthpiece for Murder


43 posted on 03/20/2005 5:39:34 AM PST by tomahawk
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To: sirchtruth
This is so outrageously stupid and evil
that it just might start a revolution...

We can only pray.

44 posted on 03/20/2005 5:39:59 AM PST by madprof98
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To: rotstan
"It's very quiet, it's very dignified - it's very gentle," he adds.

Isn't this what Michael Jackson said too?

45 posted on 03/20/2005 5:40:23 AM PST by John Thornton ("Appeasers always hope that the crocodile will eat them last." Winston Churchill)
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To: MisterRepublican

Ask the veterans from WW2 who were POWs if it wasnt painful or not.

Oh thats right! I forgot! The NY Slimes doesnt recognize veterans as human beings. My bad...


46 posted on 03/20/2005 5:41:17 AM PST by crz
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To: MisterRepublican
This is utter garbage. I worked hospice for years and we are talking apples and oranges. When a person is dying of cancer there is a different set of hormones and mechanism at work in the body. The body does produce endorphins and has adaptive triggers to compensate for the discomfort. But this woman is not dying of cancer. She is being killed by dehydration. I challenge any liberal to go three days without eating or drinking and get on a polygraph and tell us how great they felt.
The family needs to get a lawyer and start suing the husband and his mistress for alienation of affection and spousal abuse. There is a very hot spot in hell waiting for those two.
47 posted on 03/20/2005 5:43:01 AM PST by American Vet Repairman (Execute all violent child molesters.)
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To: pocat

If the monster who killed Jessica should attempt to starve himself to death,now that we have been informed how painless that is, by lying expert sonovab*tch*s in that field, he should be force fed and kept alive to die in old sparky, without the wet sponge as the one guy got it in the Green Mile.


48 posted on 03/20/2005 5:44:24 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Bush sed:Let's roll!, Liberal Dims Sed: Let's troll!- nuf sed!)
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To: MisterRepublican
Just imagine the worst chapped lips you ever had and then imagine all your skin and mucous membranes like that only worse, terribly worse.
And imagine your worst hunger pains, only worse and lasting for days without relief, except for the morphine they give you which makes you sick to your stomach. The morphine is given so you won't feel the hunger or your skin cracking and drying out. No, you don't feel any pain and it's a peaceful easy way to go. NOT!
My family watched it last Aug so I know the truth and Drs Emanuel and Morrison are not telling it.
49 posted on 03/20/2005 5:45:24 AM PST by kalee
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To: crz

These doctors who say starving and doing w/out water is "not painful" depend on dosing the patient w/liberal doses of morphine to make it not painful. They themselves should be required to undergo 2 weeks w/out water and food in order to make their statements creditable.


50 posted on 03/20/2005 5:47:06 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: MisterRepublican

I would like to see a demonstration of starvation by the so called doctors and those at the NYT who want Terri dead.
They should not object if is so peaceful.


51 posted on 03/20/2005 5:48:48 AM PST by Herbie (Herb)
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To: randita
I have now lost total respect for the democrats and all democrat organized press. These people are willing to sacrifice, on the alter of cultural anarchy, the lives of millions of unborn humans and the life of a disabled girl in Florida whose only crime is she can't feed herself. God save this nation. If God does save this nation, not to be disrespectful, he will need our help. There is too much evil abounding in guise of educated, mature democrat men and women.
52 posted on 03/20/2005 5:48:54 AM PST by mict42
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To: MisterRepublican

The level of rationalization is incredible.


53 posted on 03/20/2005 5:49:15 AM PST by cyborg (Sudanese refugee,"Mr.Schiavo I disagree with your opinion about not feeling pain when you starve.")
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To: MikeinIraq

Could you imagine going more than a day without water? I can't imagine more than a few hours.


54 posted on 03/20/2005 5:50:06 AM PST by cyborg (Sudanese refugee,"Mr.Schiavo I disagree with your opinion about not feeling pain when you starve.")
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To: twntaipan
The NYTimes turned away from what they knew about the Death Camps (eugenics, experimentations, the furnaces, rape, mayhem, etc) in Germany. The NYTimes knew there was genocide and many other atrocities taking place in Germany long before America was pulled into the war but did not report anything about the horrendous acts taking place. They were known as Yellow Journalist during the Spanish-American war because they exaggerated a cause they thought was necessary but I guess 20 plus million Russians and over 6 million Jews didn't call for such a cause to be taken up by the NYTimes.
55 posted on 03/20/2005 5:50:23 AM PST by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: Jim Noble
A stopped clock is right twice a day.

The NYT's would quickly point out a stopped clock using military time is only right once a day.

56 posted on 03/20/2005 5:50:40 AM PST by hflynn
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To: MisterRepublican

More lecturing from our betters in the "fact-based community". Only they get to choose the facts.


57 posted on 03/20/2005 5:53:18 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: cyborg

I did that for two single days in wrestling. And I told myself that I would never do it again and thankfully I didn't.

In Army Basic, they FORCE you to drink water, or at least they did when I went through in 1998.

Wrestling coaches are realizing that the kids won't drink water if they aren't told too. All the kids will focus on is what the scale says.

I never went more than an hour in Iraq without water or kool aid or gatorade.


58 posted on 03/20/2005 5:53:28 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Silly Hippies, Bush Won!!!!)
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To: mict42

You have made a great point. Almost half of this country has taken on the values and ideology of the NAZIs. No country ever in history has done well once they have adopted a culture of death.


59 posted on 03/20/2005 5:55:44 AM PST by American Vet Repairman (Execute all violent child molesters.)
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To: MikeinIraq

I can see death by dehydration very easy in an environment like Iraq. If I was a soldier there, I'd be concerned about available water and things like gatorade than food.


60 posted on 03/20/2005 5:56:22 AM PST by cyborg (Sudanese refugee,"Mr.Schiavo I disagree with your opinion about not feeling pain when you starve.")
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