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CA: The talk in Los Angeles is the talk of getting out (33% want to leave)
Daily Breeze ^ | 3/17/2005 | Josh Grossberg

Posted on 03/17/2005 3:59:11 PM PST by BurbankKarl

The talk in Los Angeles is the talk of getting out In fact, a third of the residents surveyed said they want to move away, up more than 20 percent from 2003. The mood here in the South Bay, however, is slightly rosier.

Fed up with traffic, crime and skyrocketing housing prices, a growing number of Los Angeles County residents say they plan to move away within five years, according to a survey released Wednesday.

Although the mood in the South Bay area was slightly rosier, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California calls the county's 10 million residents "stunningly unhappy with some key indicators of quality of life and paints a picture of growing concern for any chance of long-term recovery."

"I spend all my money on rent," said San Pedro resident Janelle Anderson. "And now with gas prices going up, I'd love to find a cheaper place to live. But it's not that easy to leave your job and family."

The number of residents who plan to leave the county almost doubled in two years. A similar survey in 2003 found that 17 percent of residents did not see themselves staying in the county. The number is now 33 percent.

In fact, more people in the city of Los Angeles say they plan to leave than the 26 percent who voted in the recent mayoral election, said Mark Baldassare, the survey's director.

"It seems they plan to vote with their feet," he said.

For Torrance resident Gary Webb, it's the unrelenting traffic that makes him ponder leaving.

"It seems like I'm always in my car," he said. "And it keeps getting worse. I can't go anywhere without getting stuck in traffic."

The third annual survey found traffic, lack of affordable housing and low-performing public schools as reasons for the bleak outlook -- 74 percent of the 2,000 participants said congestion on freeways and main roads was a major problem. Another 64 percent said a lack of affordable housing was a big problem in the county. Both those figures have significantly increased from two years ago, when 67 percent cited traffic woes and 54 percent mentioned housing.

"So many dimensions of people are more negative today," Baldassare said. "The way they rate housing problems, the way they view race relations, and increasing negativity were certainly important things we noted."

In all, 58 percent believe race relations were not so good, compared to 53 percent in 2003. Different races also had varied outlooks. Only 21 percent of blacks -- compared to 50 percent of all residents -- say police in their community treat all racial and ethnic groups fairly most of the time.

But there were some silver linings in the survey. For instance, most residents expect race relations to improve.

"There are areas that have optimism," Baldassare said. "Most people believe race and ethnic relations will improve. And we're seeing improvements in the economy and the general belief that the quality of life is still good."

Dowell Myers, a professor of urban planning and demographics at USC, suggested that the survey include a question about whether people planned to move. He said he was a little surprised at the results, but he also cautioned about reading too much into them.

"It's a little higher than I would expect," he said. "It's not clear people are going to act different. People complain about traffic, but don't leave."

But if people do follow up on their plans to move, it could spell trouble in the future.

"The danger is people will still keep coming, but the ones you want to keep might go away because they've got other choices," he said. "You might be keeping the wrong kinds of people. Middle-class taxpayers might get up and go. That's the key. Who are the ones leaving?"

The survey divided the county into four parts. The area that includes the South Bay -- which stretches from Long Beach to Malibu -- was more optimistic about many trends. While generally unhappy with traffic, two-thirds of the area's residents said things were going well. They also gave the highest rating to the economy (40 percent) and expressed strong approval of local parks (68 percent).

"Some of the optimism in the region reflects the fact that people have good air quality, good job opportunities," Baldassare said. "Many people are in good economic shape compared to other parts of the county."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; la; laexodus; losangeles
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To: timestax

141 posted on 03/17/2005 7:09:53 PM PST by timestax
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To: Clemenza

Friends of mine in a not so bad section have been mugged 3 times.
Again, shades of New York in the 1970s/198


SO? that makes it OK??? new york stinks and so does la, mugging is bad when it happens anywhere, not special in ny.


142 posted on 03/17/2005 7:13:25 PM PST by Ethyl (T)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

but its a dry heat


143 posted on 03/17/2005 7:16:39 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: timestax

That part of PB is great for bonfires.


144 posted on 03/17/2005 7:16:46 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: Clemenza

Hmmm, what happens when the majority of the people in LA are the welfare receivers?
I gather that you've never been to Detroit, Newark or Camden.


39 posted on 03/17/2005 7:27:00 PM EST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco

I guess you'll just pay and pay and pay. You do live in kalifornia................suck it up and pay!


145 posted on 03/17/2005 7:17:22 PM PST by Ethyl (T)
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To: BurbankKarl

Sure, that's why houseprices are skyrocketing, because nobody wants to live here. (/sarcasm)


146 posted on 03/17/2005 7:19:24 PM PST by FairOpinion (It is better to light a candle, than curse the darkness.)
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To: Ethyl
I've never been to Camden, but it reminds me of one of my alltime favorite song lyrics:

She's got eyes as pretty as a pair of jewels,

falling down in Camden like a couple of drunken criminals.

- Ryan Adams, English Girls Approximately


147 posted on 03/17/2005 7:20:35 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: Vision Thing

148 posted on 03/17/2005 7:20:39 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax

149 posted on 03/17/2005 7:22:40 PM PST by timestax
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To: BurbankKarl
Have you been to the beach lately on a weekend? It is like Tijuana!
Complete with the independent-contractor vendors.
 
I lived in Venezuela for three years, so I know the look rather well... what I'm waiting for is the day that when traffic is backed up on the freeway they jump out of the bushes with chicharrones, roses, and apples for sale. That's when I'll know it's over.

150 posted on 03/17/2005 7:26:10 PM PST by AnnaZ (><>Trust in Jesus. He's coming. Soon. He wants you to know that ALL is forgiven. Hebrews 11<><)
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To: Spktyr

read later.


151 posted on 03/17/2005 7:29:05 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: John Lenin
Been self employed for 27 years, ...

Then it shouldn't be any problem for you to leave. Or, as you refer in your second reply to the same post, you want to see what comes next? I do. Why are y'all such 'fraidy cats?

I'm laughing at the whackydoddles who think this is radiating from LA. The communist infiltration during the 40 and 50s was thorough and hollyweird was severely compromised. As were the three pillars, the executive, legislative and judicial branches, and the fourth estate, and fifth column! Every urban sprawl is the same, and has the same looters. It is a cancer eating from within and won't be exorcised until it festers. Running away is not the answer, nor is living in fear nor fearing false demons. None are immune. Run and die tired if you will, I'll stay and fight.

152 posted on 03/17/2005 7:31:15 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: timestax

153 posted on 03/17/2005 7:35:54 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: AnnaZ

Oh, I had that happen to me on the north end of the 710 freeway.....three different people selling junk and asking flat out for money.


154 posted on 03/17/2005 7:36:58 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: 68 grunt

The clock is ticking for me, if I knew the crash was coming soon I would stick it out and try to buy a piece of property at the low end and sit on it. It's an approximate ten year cycle, 96 was the last low point.


155 posted on 03/17/2005 7:37:13 PM PST by John Lenin (What problem ?)
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To: AnnaZ
what I'm waiting for is the day that when traffic is backed up on the freeway they jump out of the bushes with chicharrones, roses, and apples for sale.

When you drive into America through the Otay Mesa crossing (San Diego), the freelancers tend to sell Chiclet gum and windshield washes.

156 posted on 03/17/2005 7:37:34 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Y I K E S !!Beautiful downtown Burbank??


157 posted on 03/17/2005 7:38:39 PM PST by timestax
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To: BurbankKarl

Can you tranlsate that grafitti into English please? :-)


158 posted on 03/17/2005 7:40:04 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: timestax

heehee...no...from a site called graffiti.org

under California "art crimes"


159 posted on 03/17/2005 7:40:58 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
this artwork was in a coffee shop on Garnet St. Pacific Beach in Sandy Eggo. It was for sale, if ur interested!!

160 posted on 03/17/2005 7:45:22 PM PST by timestax
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